AP and BSG: Fuck shit balls

The only game of BSG I've played had both Cylons dealt in the initial loyalty setup. Then the President looked at multiple loyalty cards in the first couple of turns, pretty much murdering what the game seemed to be about (Not much reason to stay secret if the president looks at your card on turn 2 and throws you in the brig turn 3). Not very exciting.

Yeah, we killed the humans pretty good, but not fun at all.

Jur wrote:

I'm surprised by all the reports about heavy damage to Galactica, and I'm quite surprised (apart from the Cylon reveal effect) by it. The military side is not the hardest part, we find.

All depends on your crisis deck, which is what is great about the game. If you get a couple cards of invasion early in a jump you can really get hammered by the enemy because a lot of civvy ships have been spawned as well as the huge amount of raiders. In our 5 hour marathon we were down to only 3 undamaged vipers to protect our ships with and Galactica was being beat to hell.

Humans definitely have an uphill struggle in front of them. Our first 4 games were easy Cylon victories. Finally once everyone had some experience the humans started to improve their performance and their cylon detecting skills. Our first victory came in a 4 player game where the Sympathizer came our before any resources were into the red. It was real rougn as the game came down to a 2 humans vs 2 cylons standoff. The last round could have gone either way. Fortunately the humans won with a combination of luck and clever use of "Executive Order" cards.

-Will

Gary Sax wrote:

Jur wrote:

I'm surprised by all the reports about heavy damage to Galactica, and I'm quite surprised (apart from the Cylon reveal effect) by it. The military side is not the hardest part, we find.

All depends on your crisis deck, which is what is great about the game. If you get a couple cards of invasion early in a jump you can really get hammered by the enemy because a lot of civvy ships have been spawned as well as the huge amount of raiders. In our 5 hour marathon we were down to only 3 undamaged vipers to protect our ships with and Galactica was being beat to hell.

Yeah - again. If the two cylons come out early enough and just concentrate on crisis cards (picking the worst of two) and moving the cylon fleet, they can get (with a bit of luck with the cards) the board filled frequently with civ ships and numerous cylon ships. They can slowly get rid of your vipers and knock down population as they take out the civs, while you're losing other resources on the non-attack crisis cards and trying to save some fuel. Then they have their Super Crisis cards, which if they reveal early they can afford to wait for the best time to play them. In that 5-player game I mentioned, we lost in the end when they got through all our vipers and took out 4 civs in one go. We did have a poor run of cards at one time where we only moved one jump square in 7 cards .... ouch.

Gary Sax wrote:

Why can't I live around you guys, so I don't have to do shit like wargame with some Christian dude from TOS I don't feel comfortable swearing or using the lord's name in vain in front of or play BSG with a bunch of AP fun murdering fuckers?

Poor bastard. Playing BSG and not being able to swear isn't playing BSG.

They were, thankfully, two different incidents. I could and did swear in the BSG game. The FAB: Bulge game was with a BGG guy who was super christian. A really nice guy and everything and not a fun murderer otherwise, but...

I'm at the point where I'll only play games with people if I'm SURE they're not going to ruin it by staring at the board when it's their turn. I rarely game with strangers or people I haven't gamed with before.

AP is the number one cause of Fun Murder. Nobody wants to sit and "let you think about your turn". I understand taking a minute in a really close game or a really tight situation, but even then it isn't important enough to consider for more than a couple of seconds.

People take games too seriously on many levels, and as was mentioned people who play games to demonstrate their intelligence are usually prime AP-wielding Fun Murderers.

I've had people snip at me when I'm running a game for rushing them...but I'm sitting there with five people at the table and I'm not going to let you sit and dwell for five minutes on what the fuck you're going to do.

It's pretty telling that most seriously AP-afflicted gamers look like they spend more time thinking about their turn than they do what they're going to wear for the day or what they're going to do with their lives.

Ken B. almost got busted for AP during our game of WAR ON TERROR yesterday. It was his first game and he wasn't aware that the only strategy was to blow shit up.

Maybe we need to all carry AP yellow and red cards or something. Give out the red and the player has to leave the table, lose the game and is "sent off."

I'd also like to emphasize that one of my biggest problems is that on many of your turns in BSG, one best move is obvious. Thinking about those types of moves is a bad, bad sign.

Sounds too Euro. I reckon a pool ball in a sock would get to the point a lot quicker.

Yeah, true, or the old sack of doorknobs.

Gary Sax wrote:

Maybe we need to all carry AP yellow and red cards or something. Give out the red and the player has to leave the table, lose the game and is "sent off."

I'd also like to emphasize that one of my biggest problems is that on many of your turns in BSG, one best move is obvious. Thinking about those types of moves is a bad, bad sign.

A fucking punch to the face is what I recommend. I hate people who stare at the board. I usually play pretty quickly on everything, unless it is a game that I haven't played before. If I start to take more than 45 seconds or so, I start felling bad about wasting everyone's time.


P.S. -- I might be making it to Champaign sometime this semester. If I do, I will let you know and maybe we can play a game of something. Like Michael, I am reluctant to play with strangers, but anyone on this site will get the green light from me.

Spaceghost--let me know if you do and we should play something.

You're a better person than I in that respect, Uba. I don't think I could take it. And it's not because I'm a Very Serious Boardgamer.

OMG, you're not one of them serious boardgamers are you?