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FIREBALL ISLAND RETURNS

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30 Mar 2018 14:22 #266717 by bronb
Replied by bronb on topic FIREBALL ISLAND RETURNS
I want to go and look. But I know that if I do I'll be depressed that gamers are so desperate to Kickstart anything that they'll put up with that sort of demeaning bullshit.

You certainly shouldn't feel guilty for seeing it for what it is.
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30 Mar 2018 14:27 #266719 by Shellhead
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Colorcrayons wrote: So I've been following the designer blog finally.

I gotta say, I do think they are handling the KS exclusive garbage the right way, by not planning to offer them at all.

But the planned stretch goals are tosh.

I may sound.like a grumpy old man, but Everytime I see stretch goals that are fun only for the creators, I feel like I'm listening to Donald Trump mansplain how what he wants is for everyone's benefit.

Like, this guy gets a car if we reach 5 mil in cash, or in the case of tiny epic whatever, designer gets a night out with his wife. All noble things, but why do I really care? Just give the guy a car after the campaign if you reach that goal instead of putting 'fun' pressure on the backers to make that happen?

I know. I'm a cynical twat I guess. I just don't get it and them calling it 'fun' makes me feel guilty that I don't understand when I know I'm getting smoke blown up my ass.

But if KS is really not a preoder site (ha) then why are you peddling this crap to investors for retail price (shipping is being charged, but apparently subsidized so that you aren't charged more than it would cost at retail) and then pour all these 'fun' stretch goals all over it?


Another reason to call that site Kicksucker.

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30 Mar 2018 14:47 #266723 by Colorcrayons
Here's a link for those interested.

restorationgames.com/2018/03/27/gassing-...land-design-diary-5/

also interesting that I left a comment but.it seems to have.not passed moderation, despite being overall encouraging about the project.

I did tell them it would be more fun for backers to save some money on shipping for giving an interest free loan.

But we'll see if it passes their test. If not then they are just like Christian Peterson, who'll only accept the most self congratulatory praise that offers nothing constructive. I don't view restoration like that, but we'll see.

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30 Mar 2018 15:06 #266724 by Legomancer
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I hope people get a lot of fun from this but man, I am so not down for a $130 goofy marble game.
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30 Mar 2018 15:38 #266729 by SuperflyPete
I love their idea of driving around to cons and stores to show it off. It lets actual people opine on it versus entrenched game media types. If the PEOPLE like it, I’ll be more inclined to buy into it.
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30 Mar 2018 17:04 #266736 by Gregarius
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Colorcrayons wrote: also interesting that I left a comment but.it seems to have.not passed moderation, despite being overall encouraging about the project.

It's there now, and he responded.

Thanks for the link.
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03 Apr 2018 13:27 #266911 by Gregarius

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03 Apr 2018 16:20 - 03 Apr 2018 16:21 #266918 by ChristopherMD
Already double its goal.

If we had Kicksucker back in the early 2000's the Ameritrash movement on BGG never would have happened. People are all over AT style games now that they've got an "I work for Google" level price tag and Russian-bots level of marketing behind them and of course "exclusivity" so people can one-up each other's collections.
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03 Apr 2018 17:02 #266919 by hotseatgames
I think the 5th player expansion seems like a no-brainer but the others... not so much

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03 Apr 2018 19:28 #266923 by Frohike
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hotseatgames wrote: I think the 5th player expansion seems like a no-brainer but the others... not so much


Assuming sufficient stock at retail and that these retailers are getting these at 50% MSRP as indicated then marking them up by roughly 50% of that (rough estimate), you could probably get everything from an OLGS for $110-120 including (free) shipping.

Core: $50-55
Pirate ship: $30-35
Tiger/bee garbage: $10
5th player: $18-20

So bottom range $108, top range $120? I have no firm idea of what the typical OLGS markup is, though.

I don't see a reason to back any of this unless I care about getting it early.
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04 Apr 2018 00:43 #266927 by SuperflyPete
I preordered the core game, and that’s it. No expansions. I refuse.
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04 Apr 2018 08:53 #266933 by charlest
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Frohike wrote:

hotseatgames wrote: I think the 5th player expansion seems like a no-brainer but the others... not so much


Assuming sufficient stock at retail and that these retailers are getting these at 50% MSRP as indicated then marking them up by roughly 50% of that (rough estimate), you could probably get everything from an OLGS for $110-120 including (free) shipping.

Core: $50-55
Pirate ship: $30-35
Tiger/bee garbage: $10
5th player: $18-20

So bottom range $108, top range $120? I have no firm idea of what the typical OLGS markup is, though.

I don't see a reason to back any of this unless I care about getting it early.


This is where I'm at. I want this to play with my kid mainly, but it's a no brainer to wait for retail.

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04 Apr 2018 08:53 - 04 Apr 2018 08:54 #266934 by lj1983
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at 75$ that's still awful rich for my blood without seeing it. I'll wait for retail too.
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04 Apr 2018 12:48 #266947 by Msample
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More than enough backers have signed on that it should be easy to pick this up, with KS extras, fairly cheap within weeks of it releasing after the amusement value fades.

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04 Apr 2018 12:54 #266949 by Gregarius
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A guy in my group ordered it (don't know how much, but my guess would be all of it), so I'm totally off the hook. I'll get to play it for free, then decide if it's worth retail. Hooray!

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