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31 Jul 2010 11:07 #69479 by Notahandle
Simple question; I have the first edition, should I buy the second + expansion?

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01 Aug 2010 10:44 #69510 by Notahandle
Replied by Notahandle on topic Re:American Megafauna
So no one has any opinion on the pros and cons of the two editions?

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01 Aug 2010 11:03 - 01 Aug 2010 11:06 #69511 by Bienardo
Replied by Bienardo on topic Re:American Megafauna
If you're asking you probably like the first edition. The 2nd edition and expansion play mat/tents are better quality than the first edition printing (which isn't saying much). It also includes the errata and variant to speed up the game that you can download off the geek or www.sierramadregames.com anyway.

The expansion, for me, adds three improvements over the base game.

1st
The additional 5th player is nice for that once a year group game you can get started. If you play more regularly the game's new proto-animal adds some new challenges and variety.

2nd
The additional starting biome tiles add a bit more potential wiggle room in the early game.

3rd
I like the end game potential of having at least one wild trait to play with. The new gene types add several new options for potentially getting mid/late game wild traits. They can also hinder early development if you pull too many early, as many of the new cards have gene prerequisites.

I bought it. I love the game and hope that purchasing the game will support Sierra Madre Games continue to make extremely complicated esoteric games.
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01 Aug 2010 18:45 #69526 by Notahandle
Replied by Notahandle on topic Re:American Megafauna
Thanks. I like the sound of the wild traits.

If the expansion worked with the first edition it'd be a no-brainer; but needing to buy the second edition base game as well triples the price. The oddity is, it says the expansion requires the second edition, yet there's apparently very little change to the rules. So why does it require it? The best I can come up with is because it's in colour.

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02 Aug 2010 11:07 #69580 by Bienardo
Replied by Bienardo on topic Re:American Megafauna
I don't own the 1st edition, I've only seen it, but I suspect that the cards for the 2nd edition may be printed on different type cardboard than the 1st. So if you bought the expansion and mixed them with the 1st edition you'd know when you were about to pull an expansion card.

If you're going to WBC this year you can look and feel both the expansion cards and the 1st edition cards to see if you can get away with just buying the expansion.

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02 Aug 2010 15:51 #69627 by Notahandle
Replied by Notahandle on topic Re:American Megafauna
Yeah, that's what I meant by "it's in colour".

I doubt I'll ever be going to the WBC since I'm in England. :(

Well, I have until October to decide whether to add the expansion or the second edition + expansion to my pre-order.

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02 Aug 2010 16:15 #69631 by Michael Barnes
About once a year I get to where I really, really want to try this. But realistically, no one I know will play it except for _maybe_ Frank. How is the solo game?

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02 Aug 2010 17:35 #69652 by Bullwinkle
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Michael Barnes wrote:

About once a year I get to where I really, really want to try this. But realistically, no one I know will play it except for _maybe_ Frank. How is the solo game?

It's very good. The game comes with a solo variant that's highly entertaining, challenging, and quite different from multiplayer play. You can also adapt the regular game if you're willing to play more than one evolutionary branch (i.e. multiple sides) at the same time, and you adjust the method of acquiring genes (from an auction to a straight purchase system).

Theme is brilliant, and blends perfectly with the mechanics, which means you can be wiped out randomly, regardless of how well you play.

In a nutshell, it's a pure experience game. If you like that sort of thing, and the theme grabs you, you'll probably like the game. There's a good official solo variant session report here . (It's a bit technical in terms of rules and evolutionary terminology, but it might give you a sense of whether this game will be to your liking.)

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27 Mar 2021 17:37 #321319 by lemur
Replied by lemur on topic Re:American Megafauna
This is - almost certainly - a ridiculous question ... but does anyone here still have the 1st edition of AF?

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27 Mar 2021 22:50 #321326 by Space Ghost
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I should still have it

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28 Mar 2021 00:41 #321330 by lemur
Replied by lemur on topic Re:American Megafauna
Is there a way to message you? LOL

I'm wondering if I could get a scan of the 1st edition rules ....

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28 Mar 2021 10:52 #321338 by Gary Sax
Replied by Gary Sax on topic Re:American Megafauna
You can use our private message system.
The following user(s) said Thank You: lemur

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29 Mar 2021 11:25 #321369 by lemur
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Thanks! Yes, I did see I could do that from the profile page. Sent a message (but haven't heard back -- hopefully, it went through correctly) :)

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29 Mar 2021 13:36 #321373 by Gary Sax
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I'm sure it went through fine. Someone may just not want to do what you're asking, which is well within their rights.

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29 Mar 2021 14:19 #321378 by lemur
Replied by lemur on topic Re:American Megafauna
Of course. And, in that case, a simple, "No" is always okay :)

This has become the most elusive thing I've encountered. Even reaching out to Phil E himself didn't help (he doesn't have a copy of 1st edition, himself -- only 2nd edition) .

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