What KICKSTARTER(s) are you WATCHING GO COMPLETELY OFF THE RAILS?

In case you haven't heard, here's the story of the CMON-esque (big box of minis) board game KS that has it all: a plagiarized rulebook, company bio and terms of use copied word for word from others, creators of unclear origin, creators going missing, "first created", late and iffy gameplay videos, no indication of how the game will be produced, bizarre responses to those problems, oh, and also a plagiarized company logo.

atgn.com.au/overturn-rising-sands-kickst...-still-track-funded/

Nevertheless, it's still 3x funded.

How people haven't completely canceled is beyond me. There is simply no reason to take a chance, with so many other projects they could back.

What's up with those double-stack bases on the figures?

Also, if Kickstarter actually lets this go on, they are complicit.

I was watching this slow-motion-trainwreck and laughing until I saw how many suckers are buying into it.

Now I realize that it’s actually a slow-motion-trainwreck whose cargo is made entirely of flaming dumpster fires, and the dumpster fires are fuelled with cat shit

I hope this disaster will not harm the reputation of Big Pile of Minis With Vague Rules games

#KickSucker

Legomancer wrote: I hope this disaster will not harm the reputation of Big Pile of Minis With Vague Rules games

Even if it does, they can always get another game funded as long as they slap C'thulu on it and throw some plastic in there.

So anyway... enough about this steaming pile of shit.

Anyone interested in the new Lacerda design coming up, Escape Plan?

Wow, KS actually seems to be doing something about this particular shit-show:

Funding Suspended
Funding for this project was suspended by Kickstarter 10 minutes ago.

hotseatgames wrote: How people haven't completely canceled is beyond me.

Because P.T. Barnum was right.

Wow, that's a great looking game. Do you think they'll open it back up again?

I hope so. I'm very excited about the definitely real miniatures.

edit: to add something to the conversation, can you imagine being a board game news outlet these days? Or one of the heroes specifically focused on kickstarter? Ding and Dent had someone on from I think Dice Tower who handled their kickstarter coverage. What a miserable job. Like, super valuable and I'm sure in high demand, but having an explicit job of parsing and covering kickstarters and new kickstarters sounds like a level of hell to me.

Gary Sax wrote: edit: to add something to the conversation, can you imagine being a board game news outlet these days? Or one of the heroes specifically focused on kickstarter? Ding and Dent had someone on from I think Dice Tower who handled their kickstarter coverage. What a miserable job. Like, super valuable and I'm sure in high demand, but having an explicit job of parsing and covering kickstarters and new kickstarters sounds like a level of hell to me.

But you're looking at it the wrong way 'round: The modern board game press doesn't critique, or analyze, or parse anything. 21st century bloggers and online nancies simply function as avenues for the regurgitation of corporate press-releases. Sure, there are some enthusiast sites that attempt to cut through the KS nonsense, but why bother when all potential buyers are seeking is another voice that simply says, "Yeah, super great game! Looks awesome! Insert take-my-money GIF here!!!"

Actually sorting through the realities of a KS game is far too time-consuming and fraught with effort. Much easier to simply declare them all awesome ways to spend your cash.

Reviews (from a reader/watcher standpoint) were never about reading truth. They were always about validation of consumers' desire to get X product, and the "Thumbs Up" is kind of like getting permission. "Insert Name Here" said it was good so I felt pretty strongly that it would be a good fit.

Plus, most people I know have games they've never even played. Legions of them. Most of the games that did get played have been played either once or a handful of times. So, it's not about quality, it's about NBS* and the inexplicable desire for more shit on the shelf. It's not the reviewer's fault, either, it's the hobby's societal contract that new games must always be learned (ruleswise) and played, and then a new game next time. Maybe the hook is "learning"? Maybe that's what drives them? Or maybe it's the act of punching and looking inside the box, based on the insanely popular UNBOXING.

This is going to be kind of fucked up for me to say, but I only want legit players to buy my game. I don't want to see "Played Once" on some geekauction two months from now. I'd rather not sell a copy than have a copy be played once. The game isn't made for that kind of mentality. A lot of time went into balancing scenarios and building maps. Playing it once and saying "Oh, we loved it" and giving an 8.5 rating doesn't mean dick to me if there's not people actually loving it enough to write me a year from now and saying, "WE BEAT MAL O'DORUS + C.R. OTCHRAUT". For me, that's the payoff. I want to see some video reviewers doing reviews and not feigning delight...I want to see them high fucking five after making a 2-rail kick shot with a pistol that tags a Tango in the face. Everything else is bullshit. (Also, I think I just basically ended my chances at ever having another game made by a publisher with that diatribe)



*NBS: New Box Smell

I appreciate Pete's sentiment, but I don't care if people buy my game and set it on fire, as long as they buy it. And I don't say that from a capitalism point of view; if enough people buy it, I get to make an expansion, theoretically. And I want to do that.