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Dice Tower Episode 250: Scott Alden a no show!

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05 Apr 2012 18:15 #121824 by san il defanso

SuperflyTNT wrote:

Steve Weeks wrote: Well I will be promoting Wheaton for a while. Once Wheaton takes off and makes BGG look like penny slots in the Casino of gaming, I will probably nurture my career back to the Zeus of gaming.


So are you saying that Wil Wheaton will be swinging from Jupiter's Cock?


Note to self: that says Jupiter, not JUNIPER.

That's a mental image that makes me glad this is a long weekend.
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05 Apr 2012 19:03 #121834 by Steve Weeks
Replied by Steve Weeks on topic Re: Dice Tower Episode 250: Scott Alden a no show!

Whoops! You just lost another Podcast listener. And then there were three....


I told you I retired my podcast to promote Wheaton, listen up you dumbass!

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05 Apr 2012 19:05 #121835 by Steve Weeks
Replied by Steve Weeks on topic Re: Dice Tower Episode 250: Scott Alden a no show!

Who's the blue internet dick
That's a sex machine to all the chicks?
Supa, ya, damn right

Who is the poster risk’n his BBG rep
against that mayday man?
Supa, can you dig it?

Who's the cat that won't cop out
When net shit’s slung all about?
Supa, right on!

They say this cat Supa is a mad mother….
Shut your mouth!
But I'm talkin' 'bout Supa
Then F:AT can dig it

He's a Troll feeder
and no one understands him but his woman??
Supa Fly.
I think we need someone to dip this shit in Wax and post a rendition, we already have F:AT t-shirts in the pipe, why not a soundtrack?


That's just stupid. Don't try comedy if you don't have the talent for it. Even Tom admits this on his 250th Podcast, in which I make an unedited guest appearance!

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06 Apr 2012 01:43 #121901 by Mr Skeletor
Steve Weeks is still trying to make a name for himself by jumping on to the sucess of others, this time by jumping on a guy who doesn't even know he exists. Read it all in Woman's Weekly.

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06 Apr 2012 03:38 #121917 by SuperflyPete

Steve Weeks wrote:

Whoops! You just lost another Podcast listener. And then there were three....


I told you I retired my podcast to promote Wheaton, listen up you dumbass!


Who's the dumbass? The guy who started YET ANOTHER shitty podcast then abandons it to swing off the dick of a D-list actor who happens to be a nerd celebrity? Oh, wait, or is it the dumbass who starts to get all kinds of people actually thinking he's got something intereting to say, then totally flips his script, becomes a total asshole to the people that used to think that perhpas he is a cool guy, and eventually alienates himself by being a fucking bridge troll?

C'mon, Steve. You've got a 24 hour lifespan. And I mean like the show 24: people get interested, then the plot gets a little too twisted and people tune out. I <THINK> you're better than this, but seriously, attempting to be Flava Flav to Wil Wheaton's Chuck D is truly, utterly pathetic.

You're a smart guy, no doubt, but put the big clock medallion down and take off the grill because as a hype man, you truly fail as miserably as anyone has ever failed anything.

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06 Apr 2012 09:43 - 06 Apr 2012 09:54 #121933 by Ryan B.

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LOL at "huge." A show watched by literally sixes and eights of people on a totally fake channel. Yeah ... "huge."


I hate I have to spell everything out for you coders. You know what I mean. Huge in terms of the hobby! The Dice Tower has videos with 85,000 views over a period of two years.

Wheaton has 297,000+ views in 5 days! For a video on boardgaming that is HUGE!


Lost in yet another Superfly sparring session is this: If the above commentary is factual, then it would seem, at first glance, to be a fairly significant argument in your favor, Weeks.

However, let me put it in these terms. I co-organize a game group of about 500+ total members. The demographic of one of our typical game nights that I am the event host for is about 45% male, 55% female. Only about 20% of the game group members are hard core "gamers"... mostly the males. We allow Settlers of Catan to be set up and offered for playing. Only the "gamers segment" of the group ever takes up on the offer, however.

In fact, it is a running joke with most of the women in our group that when they make up "punishments" in some of our other party games they play, one of those punishments is that the loser has to go play Settlers of Catan.

For me, it speaks empirically to what I have been saying for years. Settlers of Catan is not a gateway game for the mass market. And Wil Wheaton is NOT going to change that.

To Pete's point, as well as others, viewership is in a niche market, in a niche hobby, in a niche segment. Women are not going to pick up a game because Wil Wheaton told them so. (LOL) Seriously.

To further put this in perspective-- I made mention of a little news tidbit to one of the true "gamers" in our group. But he didn't get what I was saying, so I cross referenced it to something Tom Vasel has also noted. His response?

Whose Tom Vasel?

In other words, even in gaming circles, the "famous" are much less famous than we think they are. So for Wil Wheaton: it's an insignificant 297,000 people, who are probably already gamers in a niche hobby space. And so what is it that Wil Wheaton is actually going to revolutionize?

Nothing.
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06 Apr 2012 12:14 #121942 by SuperflyPete
And how many of the 297,000 views are people who watched 15 minutes on their Ipad, then had to do something else, and came back to watch the rest? OR people who watched it twice....

It's like my blog. I can say that I get 2000 readers a week. That's a true, but slightly nebulous statement. Are they unique? Are they all reading the article that I'm using that number to pitch for a review copy? Likely....no. But still, I can truthfully say that my site had 2000 readers and 5000 page views. It could be one guy for all I know, who just sits and clicks away.

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06 Apr 2012 15:05 #121985 by TheDukester

Ryan B. wrote: For me, it speaks empirically to what I have been saying for years. Settlers of Catan is not a gateway game for the mass market.

Too right. The "gateway" concept is one of the biggest myths ever sold to the sheep over at BGG. It's never once survived real-world testing, though.
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06 Apr 2012 15:05 - 06 Apr 2012 15:06 #121986 by Notahandle
SuperflyTNT wrote:
" Steve, Adrian may think you're a total piece of shit, ... He just happens to despise you."
Thanks for the defence, but this is wrong, 'despise' is too strong a word. When he was pushing the staff way back when, and trolling in *every single thread* it got very irritating. These days he does it in moderation. And yes, the Steve Weeks idea of moderation still amounts to verbal diarrhoea. So. He trolls and tries to wind us up. I occasionally feed him a bit and try to wind him up in return. It's vaguely entertaining on a slow day.

" You're a smart guy, no doubt, but put the big cock medallion down and take off the grill because as a hype man, you truly fail as miserably as anyone has ever failed anything."
Fixed that for you.
" And how many of the 297,000 views are people ... It could be one Steve Weeks for all I know, who just sits and clicks away."
Fixed that for you too.

Ryan B. wrote:
" I co-organize a game group of about 500+ total members. The demographic of one of our typical game nights that I am the event host for is about 45% male, 55% female."
I stand in awe! Didcot Game Club is in serious need of your talents!
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06 Apr 2012 15:15 #121990 by SuperflyPete
I know. I saw that 500+ member thing and both was in awe and laughed at the same time.

I was in awe of a club that has 500 gamers in it.

I laughed because he said "500 Member" and I was thinking "member" meant something else. Glad he clarified in the next sentence that it was not, in fact, a huge, sweaty, stinky sausagefest.

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06 Apr 2012 15:40 #121992 by wice

TheDukester wrote:

Ryan B. wrote: For me, it speaks empirically to what I have been saying for years. Settlers of Catan is not a gateway game for the mass market.

Too right. The "gateway" concept is one of the biggest myths ever sold to the sheep over at BGG. It's never once survived real-world testing, though.


It's a myth in the sense that one game or the other will definitely turn everyone into a boardgame enthusiast. It's also a myth in the sense that you have to introduce every potential boardgamer into boardgaming with simple games. I don't think it's a myth in the sense that some simpler-but-meaty-and-fun games are more likely to make someone interested, if that person has a potential of becoming a a boardgamer at all.

For example, I became a boardgamer after reluctantly playing Settlers of Catan with my wife's sister and her boyfriend. I'm pretty sure that if that had been, say, Twilight Imperium 3, I would have given up at the middle of rules explanation and never look back, despite being a huge sci-fi fan. It would simply have been too much to handle for me at the time. In fact, a year after I became a boardgamer, I saw some guys playing TI3 on a game-weekend, and I thought "That looks insanely and unnecessarily complicated and long. Why the fuck are they wasting their time with it, when they could play at least ten new games instead of it?"

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06 Apr 2012 16:02 #121998 by ioticus
The whole idea that you can turn someone on to board gaming by selling them on an entry level game reminds me of the snake oil salesmen in the pick up artist (PUA) community. They tell you if you act cocky and confident you can get laid, when the reality is it is 90% about looks and has very little to do with what you say. The way the game is packaged and presented is most important for its appeal to the non-gamer. It has little to do with your salesmanship of trying to convince someone to try it. Just like you won't really improve your chances of getting laid by trying to step up your game (as the PUA charlatans would say), you won't really reel in non-gamers by talking them into it. The physical packaging (appearance) of the game will sell itself. Of course, if you want to keep the non-gamer coming back, you gotta have more than just looks.

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06 Apr 2012 16:05 #121999 by SuperflyPete

ioticus wrote: The whole idea that you can turn someone on to board gaming by selling them on an entry level game reminds me of the snake oil salesmen in the pick up artist (PUA) community. They tell you if you act cocky and confident you can get laid, when the reality is it is 90% about looks and has very little to do with what you say.


I have to disagree with this. Looks get guys with no personality laid, but GAME can get anyone laid. I've seen too many average to fugly dudes with mad game get laid faster than really attractive guys whose idea of heavy conversation is about which mousse makes their faux-hawk stand taller.

Seriously, you underestimate women.
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06 Apr 2012 16:37 #122002 by wice

SuperflyTNT wrote:

ioticus wrote: The whole idea that you can turn someone on to board gaming by selling them on an entry level game reminds me of the snake oil salesmen in the pick up artist (PUA) community. They tell you if you act cocky and confident you can get laid, when the reality is it is 90% about looks and has very little to do with what you say.


I have to disagree with this. Looks get guys with no personality laid, but GAME can get anyone laid. I've seen too many average to fugly dudes with mad game get laid faster than really attractive guys whose idea of heavy conversation is about which mousse makes their faux-hawk stand taller.

Seriously, you underestimate women.


He also underestimates potential gamers. My above mentioned "gateway game" was a homemade copy of Settlers of Catan, that looked like a bunch of post-it notes and matches. It still blew me away with not being a roll-and-move, or a dry-as-hell abstract, the only two types of games I have ever known before it.

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06 Apr 2012 17:53 - 06 Apr 2012 17:56 #122022 by bomber
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seems Texas doesn't even get a mention Steve (well, 35th), and you guys are already lagging a bit globally, I think you should just come out of the closet and admit you want to make sweet southern love to Steve Avery. It's nothing to be ashamed of

Lee "on the bandwagon of Avery" Ambolt
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