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For right or wrong that's her position. If you want to change her mind, all the power to you, but I wouldn't know where to begin.
For example, if somebody brings a song into music class with 'inappropriate content' who makes the call - the teacher or the parents??
Teachers can be as narrow-minded as anyone else, subject to the same limitations as anybody. It's unfortunate but that's the reality. On the other hand, nothing is stopping the child from pursuing these books at home, if they're deemed ok by the parents. So read them at home. School is about more than just doing what you want.
My point was the student isn't served well doing the same kind of report over and over. If the issue truly was the violence, why wasn't it brought up the first few times 40K reports were submitted?
Again, knowing little about what has actually gone down besides what Sag is telling us (and I have no reason to believe he's fabricating anything), I can only assume:
A) The teacher has allowed a few of these reports be done previously, and is ready to move the student on. If 'Too violent' was actually used as the reason, then perhaps not the best explanation.
'Too violent' is the child's explanation to the parent on why they can't do more 40K. (AFAIK, the teacher's side has yet to be gathered.)
C) 'Too violent' is a guess on Sag's part.
Regardless, I think the bigger issue is how to move a child on to reading stuff they have little to no interest in. A fun problem all parents and teachers face.
Jeff White wrote:
scissors wrote: School is about more than just doing what you want.
Indeed. Some would argue school is learnig how to maximize your potential in an environment that explicitly forbids doing what you want -- which is basically what life is.
scissors, Jeff, on these points I agree with you completely. If you look at my comment on the previous page, you'll see at the end that I specifically do not suggest trying to change this woman's mind. May as well try talking to a stone. Rather, I think Sag should try to find some happy medium, whether it's a different focus or a different work, that his boy will be willing to work on and the teacher will accept.
scissors wrote: She doesn't want to see them in her classroom: wadda ya gonna do?...For right or wrong that's her position. If you want to change her mind, all the power to you, but I wouldn't know where to begin...School is about more than just doing what you want.
But, also as I said, one of my main concerns is making sure the boy understands that what he likes is good, despite what a person with power over him thinks. Too often do I see the subtle (and not-so-subtle) ways in which teachers shame something out of the discussion simply because they don't like it.
I especially like the idea that the learning one does in a US public school is primarily about learning how to put up with a bunch of bullshit and make the most of it. And this is a perfect teachable moment for that.
Also, even the best teachers are fucking terrible about a few things and/or with a few sorts of kids.
So, what is really going on here? I sense that part of your frustration lies in the fact that it has been difficult to get your boy to read in the first place. If so maybe you should be calling his teacher to talk about her concerns and yours. Nothing serves a child better than when Teachers and Parents work together.
engineer Al wrote: Nothing serves a child better than when Teachers and Parents work together.
That's a lovely sentiment.
I wasn't posting so much out of any particular frustration but instead as an observation of the state of things. Today brought verification that the issue is indeed about violence. As I said earlier I'm ok with that and will find a way to make it work.
My wife's observation was this -- the schools aren't built to cater to a four-child family and this is another example of that. With three boys very close in age competition is a full-time theme in our household. She's in the school all the time and she sees other parent volunteers pop a gasket when boys are running and banging into each other on the playground. They intercede during what my wife recognizes as normal play.
My boys are playing Beyblade as I type this and taking it seriously. Earth hangs in the balance. It's the nature of boys in groups to play army and compete directly with each other. Neither my wife nor I encourage this; it just happens. It's situation normal for us in a house with three boys. A young woman with no children has not walked this path and cannot grok the concept. I'm ok with that, but it means we need to adjust. It also means that this award-winning teacher, like all of us, still has room to learn.