- Posts: 7162
- Thank you received: 6270
Bugs: Recent Topics Paging, Uploading Images & Preview (11 Dec 2020)
Recent Topics paging, uploading images and preview bugs require a patch which has not yet been released.
Sell me on Warmachine
- hotseatgames
- Topic Author
- Away
- D12
Now they want me to get into it. I see there is a 2 player battle box that gets you a nice starting army for 2 factions. I also see you can get starter boxes for at least 4 of the 6 factions, although it seems that the contents of these boxes may not really get you what you need.
Can anyone bullet point me the various strengths / weaknesses / themes of the 6 factions? Has anyone personally dealt with the starter sets?
Please Log in or Create an account to join the conversation.
- SuperflyPete
- Offline
- Salty AF
- SMH
- Posts: 10733
- Thank you received: 5119
I played some sort of robotic faction, and it didn't seem all that different from the monstery-type guys my buddies played.
That's all I know. I'd rather play something with story.
Please Log in or Create an account to join the conversation.
The factions play COMPLETELY different, as do the two games. If you're the type of board gamer where a game will sink or swim by the tough decisions you make, then Warmachine is the game for you.
Please Log in or Create an account to join the conversation.
From that point on they've done the MkII rules and in talking with a shop owner the other day it sounded like it has moved backs towards a Jack-centric feel...But I'm more in a minis-on-a-board type games right now.
Please Log in or Create an account to join the conversation.
VonTush wrote: When the game first came out I bought some of the Cryx models. What really drew me to the game was that it had the appearance of low model counts with just a few Jacks per side. Then it started to shift towards troops...Then I dropped.
From that point on they've done the MkII rules and in talking with a shop owner the other day it sounded like it has moved backs towards a Jack-centric feel...But I'm more in a minis-on-a-board type games right now.
I can attest to that. They really upped the points cost on troops, and the in the average game, you'll probably only want to field one unit, if that. They also gave the Casters free points to spend exclusively on jacks. The way it works out it that you can pretty much field a medium jack for free.
I _loved_ playing with just the battlebox models. That's another huge difference against Warhammer...the starter set really is a complete, playable game, not just, "Here's a small dent in what you're going to need."
Please Log in or Create an account to join the conversation.
For me the bottom line is that WHFB and 40K have much nicer minis, but the games are so ponderous at this point that I'd rather play Warmachine/Hordes even though I find the minis derpy and uninteresting.
Have you looked at Malifaux? I find it to be the best of the lot and the new edition rules are clear and easy to get into. It also has an alternating activation system so there's very little downtime. The new plastic minis they're bringing out are really nice and you need far fewer of them to play a full game compared to standard sized forces in Warmachine.
Please Log in or Create an account to join the conversation.
The thing is, I recently drift more toward games with great core gameplay.
Warmachine core gameplay is so-so. What makes it "shine" is the special rules... dozens of special rules & abilities, and the combo you can create from different special rules within a model or between models. This makes the game quite restricting when creating list, as unit A works best with unit C, unit B can support D, blah blah.
Strip the "special rules" and all you've got is basic miniatures game with hit boxes.
But if that what makes you roll, I think you'll like it.
If you're a gamer, then yeah it's cheaper than 40k. If you're a modeller... err... it's actually more expensive.
Now regarding the factions, I only had short familiarity with 4 of them (the originals), and it's a long time ago, so things might have changed.
Cygnar: Warjack-centered, shooting army
Khador: Warjack-centered, melee army
Cryx: Unit-centered (as in... horde), melee army
Menoth: Shooting army, with funky support stuff
If I'm going into miniature games for the gameplay right now, I'd go with Infinity. MOST expensive price/model, but really good minis. Excellent core gameplay, available-to-all special abilities. And most importantly it avoids having you lining up troop on your side like Napoleonic or ACW armies when the game begins (the thing I hate most from mainstream miniature gaming).
www.belloflostsouls.net/2014/05/infinity...sa-vs-haqq-must.html
Please Log in or Create an account to join the conversation.
- hotseatgames
- Topic Author
- Away
- D12
- Posts: 7162
- Thank you received: 6270
I may grab the 2 player battle box. We'll see.
Please Log in or Create an account to join the conversation.
I'd actually suggest a one army battlebox. The learning curve is crazy on this game, so pick a faction that sounds cool and take the time to learn it. The one army boxes do give you what you need to get started, I wouldn't recommend starting with much more.
Please Log in or Create an account to join the conversation.
- Michael Barnes
- Offline
- Mountebank
- HYPOCRITE
- Posts: 16929
- Thank you received: 10375
It is (or was) really fun. It is nothing like Warhammer in any way other than being another game where you move miniatures around and roll dice. Some elements of it are more like Battletech, and there is some cool detail I how the warjacks fight. The casters add a whole different angle to it too, and it is SUPER combo-riffic...mixing the right caster, jacks and troops can do all kinds of neat things.
There are tons of keywords, abilities and so forth so as others have mentioned there is definitely a learning curve.
Khador is by far the best/coolest group...the ersatz Russian thing rules. Cryx is pretty cool. Memnoth is your paladin/ cleric/religious fanatic group and they've got some cool stuff. Cygnar is awful, I hated all of their stuff.
It is not cheap, the jacks are very expensive. They also tend to require extra modeling so have the green stuff and pin vise ready. I never saw any of their plastics.
Please Log in or Create an account to join the conversation.
- Brewmiester
- Away
- D6
- Posts: 619
- Thank you received: 336
Just be prepared that if your friends have been playing a long time you will take a beating in unexpected ways for quite a long time
Please Log in or Create an account to join the conversation.
In Warhammer, there are rules for creating your own heroes and generals. You can select their skills, purchase their equipment, etc. As a hobbyist, this made the modeling/painting portion fun as I was creating a faction for a character of my own creation in the Warhammer universe. It allows for a bit of role-playing and creativity.
In Warmachine, all of the characters are named, so there's no customization of individuals at all. Painting units under this restriction felt like a chore. If the characters are all pre-built and tied so strongly to the fluff, I'd prefer the game to just be pre-painted, since the players don't have much say regardless. Cryx, is Cryx, is Cryx. No creating some rogue khador necromancer who lives on the boarder of Khador and has cryx units that are made up of undead khador models. You play only with the characters in the fluff.
So, in that regard, I didn't care for the game at all. It's no different than simply painting up a napoleonics army where you aren't going to go wild on the colors or theme there either. In both cases the players are too tied to the histories and background of the games.
To be fair, this could have changed in MKII (I got out prior to that). I also saw the rise of the units and how the game went from a few models to spiraling into Warhammer levels of models. Again, this could all be different now.
Please Log in or Create an account to join the conversation.
- Posts: 573
- Thank you received: 685
But before investing in the starter set, I would strongly suggest trying a game with your friends' models. Or stores often have models you can use. That should give you an excellent idea of whether you'll like it or not before investing money and time.
Please Log in or Create an account to join the conversation.
- Posts: 1700
- Thank you received: 786
Please Log in or Create an account to join the conversation.
It's been long for me that if it's miniatures... then it's mostly collecting and the creative aspect. If I want a game I'd rather have board games or turn on my laptop.
Please Log in or Create an account to join the conversation.