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A Trade of Games -- The F:AT Arms Trade, Part VI
12 May 2011 21:36 - 12 May 2011 21:51 #96234
by jeb
I wrote all the boring parts of this, but Matt Loter really prettied this up.
This thread runs a "math trade"--a computer assisted algorithm to determine the best possible combination of trades so everyone ends up with games they want, even if not trading one-to-one. People will submit cryptically formatted lists to me that I submit to Lord Eddard Stark who does with them as he will.
An example would be:
Matt WANTS a tray of Maker’s Mark and HAS Reef Encounter
Barnes WANTS Reef Encounter and HAS a lot of shitty opinions
Uba WANTS a lot of shitty opinions and HAS a tray of Maker’s Mark
Lord Stark is of the old line, and is fair and just. He will let me know that I should send my Reef Encounter to Barnes. Barnes will send his shitty opinions to Uba. Uba will send a tray of Maker’s Mark to Matt. Everyone ends up happy. Except all the rest of us who have to read Barnes’ opinions.
House Stark assures good peoples that are new to these kind of trades that you can't get something back that you don't actually want, and want specifically for that item. If no one offers anything you want, just don't submit a want list for that item--it will not be traded away.
+++++ RULES +++++
You can post games you are willing to trade away immediately. To do so, in your FIRST reply to this thread: Enter your name, your location, how much shipping you are willing to cover and your games and their condition. You can edit this reply until the "closed for submission" time to add more games, but once I add the game to the master list in this post, YOU CANNOT REMOVE IT until the trades are finalized. If you remove an item after it has been added to the list... justice will be done and that right swift.
e.g.
GAMES FOR TRADE: Jeb Adams, 91301 USA – I’ll cover the first $10 to ship everywhere.
• DUNE – FFG 20112 edition. New in shrink!
• Gherkin Jerkin – Hans im Gluck. Very rare import. Well played lover’s copy.
The closed for submission time is May 23rd 11 am EST
Want lists for each item you've added to the list are due by May 25th 3 pm EST
Feel free to submit want lists early. All want lists are to be PMed to my account here (jeb).
This isn't a no shipping trade. All of Westeros is invited as is right. Please state your shipping status in your Games For Trade post. THIS IS IMPORTANT. Shipping is a big deal. If you live in New York, and you put a game from beyond the Wall on your Want List, BE PREPARED TO PAY FOR A SUBSTANTIAL CHUNK OF THE COST OF HAVING GAMES SHIPPED TO YOU. If someone offers "free shipping globally!" they are going to pay a frigging fortune shipping games--that's their prerogative. On the other hand, you cannot opt out of shipping internationally. You should set an upper bound on what you're willing to spend, and chase the recipient for the extra you'll need to get it to her. (Another way to look at it: You will pay for having games shipped to you, but many games come with a cash bonus to offset the shipping cost. )
I am the ultimate arbiter of any disputes. By signing up some games here, you are submitting to this rule. I don't care if you don't like my decision. Don’t be the first jackass to get added to the bad trader list. IT IS A STAIN ON YOUR HOUSE.
When adding games for trade, you must describe the condition of the game, and note if anything is missing. If not noted, the game will assumed to be complete and in good condition. Also note if the game is not an English language edition. Please verify that you actually have possession of the game before adding a game to this list for trade. Seriously. Go to your garage and look at the game. Maybe rats ate some pieces or something. TAKE A LOOK. If it's a video game, note what system it's for and whether or not you have the box and manual and so forth. Lean towards being more informative rather than less. LORD OF THE RINGS is not super helpful, for example. The Knizia boardgame? Some flavor of video game? A nice set of the books?
Please use the following format for your Want Lists:
(FAT_Username) Your_Game_Number : Game_wanted_#1 Game_wanted_#2 Game_wanted_#3 &c.
A possible list might look like this:
(jeb) 1 : 14 18 19
(jeb) 11 : 14 18 19 22 26 7
(jeb) 12 : 14
(jeb) 16 :
This means I have four games to trade away: 1, 11, 12 and 16. My game 16 is very dear to me and there was nothing I wanted to trade for. Oh well. Game 12 I could part with for game 14. Game 1 could go for Game 14, 18, or 19. And Game 11 I want to move along, so I'll take any of the six games listed for it.
TradeMaximizer 1.4 will help us through this winter with the following options…
LINEAR-PRIORITIES: Use the 1,2,3,4,... priority scheme.
SMALL-STEP=1: Adjust how priorities change between successive entries in a want list. (The default value is 1.)
BIG-STEP=9: Adjust how priorities change for each semicolon in a want list. (The default value is 9.)
REQUIRE-COLONS: Make colons mandatory for every want list.
REQUIRE-USERNAMES: Make usernames mandatory for every want list.
ITERATIONS=100: If set to a number larger than 1, then use randomization to find num different solutions, keeping the solution with the best sum-of-squares metric. Note that all of the solutions will have the same number of trades and the same total cost.
ALLOW-DUMMIES: Allow users to include dummy items to protect against getting duplicates.
There have been some questions about how to best use dummy items to protect against getting duplicate items. Here is a tome of knowledge from the Trade Maximiser wiki page…
If you have any questions about any aspect of the trade, please let me know and I'll try to answer them quickly. And remember this: Winter is Coming. Also remember to mutter your gibberish in the blog:( here ), not in this thread!
Make sure to be aggressive with those lists, or Matt Loter will question your personhood.
A Trade of Games -- The F:AT Arms Trade, Part VI was created by jeb
The crow took to the air, cawing. Not that, it shrieked at him. Forget that, you do not need it now, put it aside, trade it away. It landed on Bran's shoulder, and pecked at him, and the shining golden face was gone.
Bran was packing faster than ever. The grey mists howled around him as he plunged games into the box below. "What are you doing to me?" he asked the crow, tearful.
Teaching you how to trade.
"I can't trade!"
You're trading right now.
"I'm failing!!"
Every trade begins with a fail, the crow said. Look down.
"I'm afraid..."
LOOK DOWN, and hey, while we're at it, let's work on duplicate protection.
I wrote all the boring parts of this, but Matt Loter really prettied this up.
This thread runs a "math trade"--a computer assisted algorithm to determine the best possible combination of trades so everyone ends up with games they want, even if not trading one-to-one. People will submit cryptically formatted lists to me that I submit to Lord Eddard Stark who does with them as he will.
An example would be:
Matt WANTS a tray of Maker’s Mark and HAS Reef Encounter
Barnes WANTS Reef Encounter and HAS a lot of shitty opinions
Uba WANTS a lot of shitty opinions and HAS a tray of Maker’s Mark
Lord Stark is of the old line, and is fair and just. He will let me know that I should send my Reef Encounter to Barnes. Barnes will send his shitty opinions to Uba. Uba will send a tray of Maker’s Mark to Matt. Everyone ends up happy. Except all the rest of us who have to read Barnes’ opinions.
House Stark assures good peoples that are new to these kind of trades that you can't get something back that you don't actually want, and want specifically for that item. If no one offers anything you want, just don't submit a want list for that item--it will not be traded away.
+++++ RULES +++++
You can post games you are willing to trade away immediately. To do so, in your FIRST reply to this thread: Enter your name, your location, how much shipping you are willing to cover and your games and their condition. You can edit this reply until the "closed for submission" time to add more games, but once I add the game to the master list in this post, YOU CANNOT REMOVE IT until the trades are finalized. If you remove an item after it has been added to the list... justice will be done and that right swift.
e.g.
GAMES FOR TRADE: Jeb Adams, 91301 USA – I’ll cover the first $10 to ship everywhere.
• DUNE – FFG 201
• Gherkin Jerkin – Hans im Gluck. Very rare import. Well played lover’s copy.
The closed for submission time is May 23rd 11 am EST
Want lists for each item you've added to the list are due by May 25th 3 pm EST
Feel free to submit want lists early. All want lists are to be PMed to my account here (jeb).
This isn't a no shipping trade. All of Westeros is invited as is right. Please state your shipping status in your Games For Trade post. THIS IS IMPORTANT. Shipping is a big deal. If you live in New York, and you put a game from beyond the Wall on your Want List, BE PREPARED TO PAY FOR A SUBSTANTIAL CHUNK OF THE COST OF HAVING GAMES SHIPPED TO YOU. If someone offers "free shipping globally!" they are going to pay a frigging fortune shipping games--that's their prerogative. On the other hand, you cannot opt out of shipping internationally. You should set an upper bound on what you're willing to spend, and chase the recipient for the extra you'll need to get it to her. (Another way to look at it: You will pay for having games shipped to you, but many games come with a cash bonus to offset the shipping cost. )
I am the ultimate arbiter of any disputes. By signing up some games here, you are submitting to this rule. I don't care if you don't like my decision. Don’t be the first jackass to get added to the bad trader list. IT IS A STAIN ON YOUR HOUSE.
When adding games for trade, you must describe the condition of the game, and note if anything is missing. If not noted, the game will assumed to be complete and in good condition. Also note if the game is not an English language edition. Please verify that you actually have possession of the game before adding a game to this list for trade. Seriously. Go to your garage and look at the game. Maybe rats ate some pieces or something. TAKE A LOOK. If it's a video game, note what system it's for and whether or not you have the box and manual and so forth. Lean towards being more informative rather than less. LORD OF THE RINGS is not super helpful, for example. The Knizia boardgame? Some flavor of video game? A nice set of the books?
Please use the following format for your Want Lists:
(FAT_Username) Your_Game_Number : Game_wanted_#1 Game_wanted_#2 Game_wanted_#3 &c.
A possible list might look like this:
(jeb) 1 : 14 18 19
(jeb) 11 : 14 18 19 22 26 7
(jeb) 12 : 14
(jeb) 16 :
This means I have four games to trade away: 1, 11, 12 and 16. My game 16 is very dear to me and there was nothing I wanted to trade for. Oh well. Game 12 I could part with for game 14. Game 1 could go for Game 14, 18, or 19. And Game 11 I want to move along, so I'll take any of the six games listed for it.
TradeMaximizer 1.4 will help us through this winter with the following options…
LINEAR-PRIORITIES: Use the 1,2,3,4,... priority scheme.
SMALL-STEP=1: Adjust how priorities change between successive entries in a want list. (The default value is 1.)
BIG-STEP=9: Adjust how priorities change for each semicolon in a want list. (The default value is 9.)
REQUIRE-COLONS: Make colons mandatory for every want list.
REQUIRE-USERNAMES: Make usernames mandatory for every want list.
ITERATIONS=100: If set to a number larger than 1, then use randomization to find num different solutions, keeping the solution with the best sum-of-squares metric. Note that all of the solutions will have the same number of trades and the same total cost.
ALLOW-DUMMIES: Allow users to include dummy items to protect against getting duplicates.
There have been some questions about how to best use dummy items to protect against getting duplicate items. Here is a tome of knowledge from the Trade Maximiser wiki page…
Warning: Spoiler!
If you have any questions about any aspect of the trade, please let me know and I'll try to answer them quickly. And remember this: Winter is Coming. Also remember to mutter your gibberish in the blog:( here ), not in this thread!
Make sure to be aggressive with those lists, or Matt Loter will question your personhood.
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