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This is part of a series of bloody matches to the death. Show support for your favorite game so it will do better in the fight. You can support it by writing why you think its the better game and more importantly by betting (i.e. voting for) it. Please make it clear for when I check the bets later. You have until Friday when I tally the bets and declare the winner. I will reserve my bet for any tie-breakers.
Although you should be familiar with both games, there is no rule that says you have to have played both of them. The only rule in Trashdome is this;
Two games enter! One game leaves!
Trashdome - Samurai Swords VS Shogun (2006)
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Samurai Swords has all the DoaM war game bits we all like, nice but simple battle rules, bit of bidding to mix things up, the general's experience mod, and various units with slightly different abilities. I voted for Fortress America in it's first showing in the Dome but that was quite close.
Wallenstein is a very fine medium heavy euro wargame, but in the end that is what tips it Samurai Swords way - it is a medium heavy euro wargame and just not stack up in fun and satifaction for me in comparison. And someone please tell those eurotards that the cube tower is just an 'elegant' dice replacement.
Vote: Samurai Swords (although my box has Shogun on the lid !)
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I wrote one last year, I think it was called "Obsolecence". It's around here, somewhere.
Not all old games have gone obsolete at all, but I do think that the standard A&A template DoaM game _has_. The games I've declared obsolete tend to be the mid-80s DoaM games, because I think they are past their prime- not because of Eurogames, but because modern AT games have rendered them old fashioned. NEXUS OPS and A&A have a lot of fundamental similarities but one is modernized, streamlined, and provides a hell of a lot of game and the other is old, clunky, and played out. Then there's TI3, which takes the template and makes it much richer thematically and much more expansive in terms of possibilities and options. A game of SAMURAI SWORDS is about as long as a game of TI3...so which one do you play? The old, fairly abstract one with a ninja piece that is pretty much a territory-swapping game or do you play the one that has politics, trade, economics, technology, and many more facets? Sure, sometimes you want one but not the other but at the end of the day the fact that something like TI3 is on the table at every game convention or gathering and SAMURAI SWORDS isn't says something. It doesn't have to do with "Cult of the New" or anything like that, it's that the older game has fallen into obsolescene even with its target audience.
With this Trashdome, the point is that we've got an old favorite, one of the canonical AT games that some of us have a good memory of, versus a more contemporary Eurogame. And we're sort of looking at them as competitors when really they're extremely different kinds of games. There's nothing "hybrid" or "Weuro" or whatever about it, SHOGUN/WALLENSTEIN is a Eurogame, plain and simple. And yeah, I'll take a great Eurogame over a game that I've recently played and found to be outdated and boring any day.
I bought WALLENSTEIN years ago...I still bring it out from time to time (usually as SHOGUN), and we always have a good time with it. I think it's got legs. But would it win in Trashdome versus STARCRAFT, TI3, NEXUS OPS, or even VIKTORY II? No way.
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Fuck being eligible to compete against AT Tier 1 games - it's going to get its arse kicked by one of your 'past its use by date' AT legends.I bought WALLENSTEIN years ago...I still bring it out from time to time (usually as SHOGUN), and we always have a good time with it. I think it's got legs. But would it win in Trashdome versus STARCRAFT, TI3, NEXUS OPS, or even VIKTORY II? No way.
Where did you learn your maths young Mikey - where I did taught me that 4-5 hrs is around half that of 8hrs.A game of SAMURAI SWORDS is about as long as a game of TI3...so which one do you play?
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Presenting "Mikey Barnes" - the new euro pin-up boy for short (or shortening) games !Really? Are you still playing 8 hour TI3 games? Play with Will Kenyon and his crew and you're in and out in 5 hours tops. Play with the accelerated setup and you can do it under 4.
Are you allowed to talk/banter/shit-talk, or is that too inefficient and the game has to be played in a whispered (but time saving) hush ? :-p
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So yeah, flay me with the handful of others who voted for the euro.
VOTE: SHOGUN
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It doesn't have to do with "Cult of the New" or anything like that, it's that the older game has fallen into obsolescene even with its target audience.
Its got everything to do with the "Cult of the New"
Let's face you dont have the attention span to play these boardgames.
These game are not obsolete just because you say so.
You remind me of a little kid that needs a constant conveyor belt of new toys to amuse himself.
Let's face it, Barnes has become a jaded gamer.
Time to give up the games for a while Michael and go out and shoot some hoops.
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Vote: the MB Gamemaster series Shogun.
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Vote: Shogun (2006)
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Adrian, you didn't seem to have this problem when SAN JUAN was released under the title RACE FOR THE GALAXY.
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I refuse to call it Samurai Swords, it's Shogun dammit! The Euro with the same name that's beloved of T.O.S.sers everywhere didn't even have the originality to come up with a different name.
Adrian, you didn't seem to have this problem when SAN JUAN was released under the title RACE FOR THE GALAXY.
I think you've pushed Adrian too far Mikey Barnes .... our local ninja has just let me know that he is unavailable for a few days as he has an urgent strike across the pond in Atlanta.
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