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This is part of a series of bloody matches to the death. Show support for your favorite game so it will do better in the fight. You can support it by writing why you think its the better game and more importantly by betting (i.e. voting for) it. Please make it clear for when I check the bets later. You have until Friday when I tally the bets and declare the winner. I will reserve my bet for any tie-breakers.
Although you should be familiar with both games, there is no rule that says you have to have played both of them. The only rule in Trashdome is this;
Two games enter! One game leaves!
Trashdome - Memoir '44 VS BattleLore
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This is part of a series of bloody matches to the death. Show support for your favorite game so it will do better in the fight. You can support it by writing why you think its the better game and more importantly by betting on it. End your first post in this thread with the title of the game you're placing a bet on (i.e. voting for) so its clear to me when reading it later. You have until Friday when I tally the bets and declare the winner. Counting expansions or not is entirely up to you just as playing with them or not is. I will reserve my bet for any tie-breakers.
Although you should be familiar with both games, there is no rule that says you have to have played both of them. The only rule in Trashdome is this;
Two games enter! One game leaves!
Voters for CC:Ancients will be flogged.
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Neither game is great, but C&C at heart is a light game. M'44 realizes this. Battlelore puts lipstick on a pig. It's overwrought, over-complicated, and adds massive width but no real depth.
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Man, it pains me to do this but I think I gotta vote for BATTLELORE. As much as I got totally sick of it (I HATE the expansions, but I love playing on two boards together to make epic battles), I still got DOZENS of hours of gaming out of this. I own two games of it at my house now and I'm dying to get rid of them.
I SUSPECT memoir would have worn out faster with my wife because of the theme.
so yeah, vote: Battlelore. Pre-expansion, I think it was a really good game. Lots of fun.
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Voters for CC:Ancients will be flogged.
vote: Battle Cry
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Vote: BattleLore.
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Memoir '44, on the other hand, is a terrific light family war game. It's very accessible, looks nice, and is a full game without needing to buy tons of expansions.
Speaking of expansions, boo on the expansions for both games.
Vote: Memoir '44
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Mad Dog wrote:
Voters for CC:Ancients will be flogged.
vote: Battle Cry
Oops...I forgot to add that voters for Battle Cry will be ass-raped by Blaster.
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For being exactly the game it needs to be. The system isn't complex enough to support Battlelore's lofty ambitions, and it shows.
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In the meantime, Days of Wonder's website has AMAZING scenarios that my wife and I used.
In related news, one of my favourite scenarios is Ken B getting hit by a milktruck
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Vote: Battlelore
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The lore system makes BattleLore a new game every time, even with the old scenarios. I think the expansions also add more variety to the game than the M44 ones do. Sadly, FFG is turning it into an even bigger ATM ($40, 10-figure expansions anyone?). I have both and most of the expansions for each, and I still value both games. Man, this is a tough one.
Vote: BattleLore, but only by a nose
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I have disliked the C&C system since Battle Cry. I was excited about the magic subsystem in BL but it didn't quite work (similar to Wizard Kings, another frustrating near miss). I think M44 is my "favorite" in the series because of the theater, especially the Pacific expansion. is a video of my first play of Iwo Jima.
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Vote: M 44 by a mile!
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The units are all just +1/-1 movement or dice from each other. They would've been better if they had different abilities per unit, passive or active -- something, anything to make the game feel more alive. The expansions added more and more units that just really fell flat.
And the set-up. Dear Lord Almighty. For a long long time, I convinced myself that the set-up wasn't that bad, and that people were making such a big fuss about it. As I played more and more games, I felt that the game was empty of feeling and the lackluster gameplay did not justify the long set-up time. In all our games of Battlelore, maybe 2 ended with in awesomeness, most of them were tedious and uninspired. There weren't too many moments of "C'mooooon give me good dice!" and more moments of "Oh look, I'm about to win now. Let me just roll the dice and get it over with. Ok. I won. Yey."
Bloated. Tedious. Pretentious. Underachieving.
I'm voting for Memoir 44 just because Battlelore hurt me. I wanted it to be something awesome -- just like it promised, and it kicked me in the balls.
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Battlelore should have been far better than it was.
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