What KICKSTARTER(S) are you BACKING and WHY?

Yikes. Had to have been a pretty combative situation for a distributor to not be willing to take partial payment and get something for at least part of the stuff taking up space in their warehouses. Sounds like a dire lack of trust in HGG, which had to have been triggered by something. (Obviously, I don't know the story behind it.)

The rumor is that HGG owed the shipper $180k still (from multiple projects, not just Rallyman Dirt).

charlest wrote: The rumor is that HGG owed the shipper $180k still (from multiple projects, not just Rallyman Dirt).

This is basically what happened with Blacklist Games and their Fantasy Series 1 minis. BLG got soaked for shipping & production fees during COVID times (and the BLG owner is an inveterate liar, but that's another issue), which left them unable to pay QML (Quartermaster Logistics, the folks warehousing their games) so BLG cut a deal with QML where QML took legal ownership of the product, used BackerKit to send out a message that basically said, "OK dudes, if you want your game pay us a new shipping fee, give us your address, and we will send it to you." Some folks balked at having to pay twice for shipping, so some just abandoned their pledge, but many folks paid, and QML shipped out the product, and at least people got closure. The remaining unclaimed stock will likely be sold at CoolStuffInc (both QML and CSI are owned by the same person, FYI) at some price point to be determined.

Sad that couldn't have happened here.

Sounds like it could still happen from the post but unclear.

That's a little different in that Blacklist is still intact as a company (although Alex Lim appears to be sitting on Contra/Mega Man preorders).

HGG have legally declared bankruptcy in France. I think the Rallyman Dirt (and Encyclopedia and Copan and whatever other games are being warehoused), will need to go to an owed creditor or sold off. I'm not sure the shipper owns them or has the right to do that, a bank may own those games now or in the near future.

I bet they're sold off to someone like Miniature Marker or another distributor for very cheap and end up in retail.

However, it does seem odd that HGG couldn't work out a deal with the shipper before they declared bankruptcy.

HGG's problem seems to be that either the pandemic or their mismanagement put them in the hole, and then they needed to start crowdfunding new games to pay for the old ones. As soon as a hurdle was hit the whole thing fell apart.

charlest wrote: THowever, it does seem odd that HGG couldn't work out a deal with the shipper before they declared bankruptcy.

Yeah, I am no expert in European bankruptcy laws, but they did seem to rush into it.

BLG owed QML over $300k, and that deal took months to put together, but they got it done.

p.s.
If "Alex Lim" is indeed his real name, or is it "Christopher Tsang?" At any rate, what a tangled web of deceit he has weaved!

Street Masters is such a good game and it saddens me to think my expansion content order is just collecting dust somewhere.

I did see Contra and Mega Man at Books-a-Million yesterday, so traditional distribution seems to have a bit more luck with the way these companies operate.

BillyBobThwarton wrote: Street Masters is such a good game and it saddens me to think my expansion content order is just collecting dust somewhere.

Apart from dropping $600 to re-buy the first round of stuff in a big lot, I don't know if I'll ever get my hands on the Aftershock content. I've used several villains from the Redemption Pack on the app and I want them badly. Jackal is SO fun with her mind control.

I literally sold off my Street Masters Aftershock box yesterday. I like the game but it was collecting dust.

C'est la vie. I don't really have the capital right now anyway, since I need to order Warcry: Bloodhunt and I threw down for All the New Stuff in the most recent Dungeon Degenerates Kickstarter. Hell yes I paid for that empty box.

Same here. Stoked to keep finding new stuff when I return to the KS page. Now we're getting 8 new adventurers. In for that, the box, the new mission books, new encounters, and the errata pack because why not.

Then I think I need to cool it for awhile before the fateful closing of the Aeon Trespass pledge manager for the new cycles. That's going to be... pricey.

I'm just glad I'm not the only one here buying an empty box.

I just set up the game tonight and had forgotten that I had components stored all over the place. Some external card boxes, the Mean Streets box, some GMT trays sitting on the shelf... Yeah it's time for another box. If it has more DD art on it, all the better.

I've got everything for the game so far aside from the minis and it fits nicely into the base game box + the books and die wurst magazines in the mean streets box