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What TV SHOWS are you watching?
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16 Oct 2022 18:37 #336195
by Ancient_of_MuMu
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I thought She-Hulk was the second best Marvel series after Wandavision. Quite funny and generally finds the right balance.
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17 Oct 2022 04:15 #336198
by san il defanso
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I still haven't seen She-Hulk yet, but I have yet to see an MCU show that I don't think would be better served by just being a two-hour movie. Maybe She-Hulk will break that streak, I don't know.
It took me until the Year of Our Lord 2022 to start watching It's Always Sunny In Philadelphia, and I mourn the long wasted years beforehand.
It took me until the Year of Our Lord 2022 to start watching It's Always Sunny In Philadelphia, and I mourn the long wasted years beforehand.
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17 Oct 2022 10:05 #336208
by Shellhead
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Even though I am not caught up on Pennysworth yet, I gave the first two episodes of Gotham a try. The writing and the acting isn't quite as good as Pennysworth, despite the relatively high-caliber cast of Gotham. Benjamin McKenzie is a solid lead playing Detective Jim Gordon, except that Donal Logue keeps stealing scenes as his partner Detective Harvey Bullock.
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17 Oct 2022 10:51 #336212
by RobertB
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Every time I see Donal Logue I think of him as Deacon Frost's punk-ass flunky in Blade. That might be because I've seen Blade about 50 times.
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17 Oct 2022 11:03 #336214
by Shellhead
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Every time I see Donal Logue, I think of his character from Grounded for Life, a slightly warped family sitcom from the early '00s.
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17 Oct 2022 17:41 #336222
by Jackwraith
Replied by Jackwraith on topic What TV SHOWS are you watching?
I enjoyed Gotham, but agree with the general perception that it carried on a bit too long. The last season especially was clearly just a way to wrap up storylines as quickly as possible and with as loud a bang as possible, which is something of a disservice to the patient character development that was the hallmark of much of the earlier material. It wasn't Breaking Bad, but it also wasn't typically slapdash superhero stuff. I think it's definitely worth watching the first season to see if it sinks into you.
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17 Oct 2022 20:21 #336223
by Msample
Replied by Msample on topic What TV SHOWS are you watching?
I think in retrospect 22 episode seasons were too long for the genre - it forced them to either pad existing characters stories and/or introduce silly one off villains of the week. 13 ep seasons would have been perfect IMO.
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18 Oct 2022 03:59 #336227
by mc
Me too. Quite liked that show, it just managed to hit a little different while appearing to be a standard one of the era.
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Shellhead wrote: Every time I see Donal Logue, I think of his character from Grounded for Life, a slightly warped family sitcom from the early '00s.
Me too. Quite liked that show, it just managed to hit a little different while appearing to be a standard one of the era.
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18 Oct 2022 09:05 - 18 Oct 2022 10:05 #336232
by RobertB
Replied by RobertB on topic What TV SHOWS are you watching?
House of the Dragon - parts of it were really good, and parts of it were really dumb. IMO the writers painted themselves into a corner, and the showrunners kind of handwaved about why certain things didn't happen *makes wanking gesture*.
Rings of Power - as with HotD, parts were okay and parts were dumb; more dumb than okay. However, they did open all of the mystery boxes.
The Imperfects - finished the series last night. Has a Joss Whedon smartass feel, which I liked. I don't think I'm the target audience, but I was entertained. They left the hooks in for a second season, but from what I've read Netflix hasn't renewed it.
ETA: Spoilers for HotD:
Rhaenys (The Queen Who Wasn't) flew her dragon straight into that ceremony to end this series at S1E9. As to why she didn't, in the "behind the scenes" show afterwards, the showrunners said, "Then she felt sorry for Allicent, bonds of motherhood, blah blah blah." Total horseshit. They should have come up with something cooler to do with the dragon that made more sense. Rhaenys's dragon comes when it's called, and busts up the dragon pens Real Good or something. The rest of the show was okay though.
Spoilers for RoP:
Everything but the scenes with the hobbits was hot garbage. Which is sad, because the hobbit scenes are generally bad.
Pretty much every scene with an Elf in it made no sense, although I thought the part where Sauron is selling, "Let's get hitched and Rule the World" was pretty good. Assuming of course that we forget all the Really Bad Stuff that Sauron has done.
Evidently Galadriel doesn't think that she should mention that Halbrand was really Sauron to her friends. And that she still thinks that Sauron's ring creation scheme is still a good idea.
The Numenoreans weren't doing much better. It turns out that a company-level (a troop?) cavalry unit wasn't quite enough to fix the problems in Middle Earth. So for no apparent reason except for maybe being literally blinded, Miriel now has her mad on, and is wanting another go-round at this.
Rings of Power - as with HotD, parts were okay and parts were dumb; more dumb than okay. However, they did open all of the mystery boxes.
The Imperfects - finished the series last night. Has a Joss Whedon smartass feel, which I liked. I don't think I'm the target audience, but I was entertained. They left the hooks in for a second season, but from what I've read Netflix hasn't renewed it.
ETA: Spoilers for HotD:
Warning: Spoiler!
Rhaenys (The Queen Who Wasn't) flew her dragon straight into that ceremony to end this series at S1E9. As to why she didn't, in the "behind the scenes" show afterwards, the showrunners said, "Then she felt sorry for Allicent, bonds of motherhood, blah blah blah." Total horseshit. They should have come up with something cooler to do with the dragon that made more sense. Rhaenys's dragon comes when it's called, and busts up the dragon pens Real Good or something. The rest of the show was okay though.
Spoilers for RoP:
Warning: Spoiler!
Everything but the scenes with the hobbits was hot garbage. Which is sad, because the hobbit scenes are generally bad.
Pretty much every scene with an Elf in it made no sense, although I thought the part where Sauron is selling, "Let's get hitched and Rule the World" was pretty good. Assuming of course that we forget all the Really Bad Stuff that Sauron has done.
Evidently Galadriel doesn't think that she should mention that Halbrand was really Sauron to her friends. And that she still thinks that Sauron's ring creation scheme is still a good idea.
The Numenoreans weren't doing much better. It turns out that a company-level (a troop?) cavalry unit wasn't quite enough to fix the problems in Middle Earth. So for no apparent reason except for maybe being literally blinded, Miriel now has her mad on, and is wanting another go-round at this.
Last edit: 18 Oct 2022 10:05 by RobertB. Reason: Spoilers, cleanup
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18 Oct 2022 10:10 #336236
by Shellhead
I am four episodes into Gotham and liking it well enough to keep going.
Good comedians have a knack for delivering a punchline that can carry over into acting, and I feel that Donal's sitcom experience is the reason why he keeps stealing scenes in Gotham. It would have been very easy to cast a mediocre actor as Bullock, because it would be easy to play a lazy, cynical, corrupt cop. But Donal brings a certain liveliness to the part, almost an enthusiasm for predicting and seeing people behave badly.
I have never been a fan of Jada Pinkett-Smith, and have long avoided her work because of memories of her dreadful voice on A Different World. It was like a horrid cross between a southern church lady accent and fingernails on the chalkboard sounds. But she sounds fine on Gotham and carries her scenes well.
Replied by Shellhead on topic What TV SHOWS are you watching?
mc wrote:
Shellhead wrote: Every time I see Donal Logue, I think of his character from Grounded for Life, a slightly warped family sitcom from the early '00s.
Me too. Quite liked that show, it just managed to hit a little different while appearing to be a standard one of the era.
I am four episodes into Gotham and liking it well enough to keep going.
Good comedians have a knack for delivering a punchline that can carry over into acting, and I feel that Donal's sitcom experience is the reason why he keeps stealing scenes in Gotham. It would have been very easy to cast a mediocre actor as Bullock, because it would be easy to play a lazy, cynical, corrupt cop. But Donal brings a certain liveliness to the part, almost an enthusiasm for predicting and seeing people behave badly.
I have never been a fan of Jada Pinkett-Smith, and have long avoided her work because of memories of her dreadful voice on A Different World. It was like a horrid cross between a southern church lady accent and fingernails on the chalkboard sounds. But she sounds fine on Gotham and carries her scenes well.
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18 Oct 2022 13:53 #336244
by jason10mm
Yeah, that scene was the one REALLY big misstep for this show for me. Whoever made that call was going for the "Ep9 is always NUTS" meta of the show instead of what worked for the scene. If it was action they felt they needed, there could have been a lot more dark corner shanking of Greens and Blacks.
I've given up expecting any logic from RoP. I watch it for the beautiful vistas and cinematography in any non-action sequence. It is sloppy in dialogue, ranging from blathering highbrow nonsense delivered with a painful earnest grimace to persistent contradiction of a character from scene to scene. I doubt it will improve in S2, but maybe they can at least construct a decent action scene as they have whiffed on every one so far. I can only imagine what the dwarves versus a Balrog is gonna look like with this current production team.
Replied by jason10mm on topic What TV SHOWS are you watching?
RobertB wrote: ETA: Spoilers for HotD:
Warning: Spoiler!
Rhaenys (The Queen Who Wasn't) flew her dragon straight into that ceremony to end this series at S1E9. As to why she didn't, in the "behind the scenes" show afterwards, the showrunners said, "Then she felt sorry for Allicent, bonds of motherhood, blah blah blah." Total horseshit. They should have come up with something cooler to do with the dragon that made more sense. Rhaenys's dragon comes when it's called, and busts up the dragon pens Real Good or something. The rest of the show was okay though.
Yeah, that scene was the one REALLY big misstep for this show for me. Whoever made that call was going for the "Ep9 is always NUTS" meta of the show instead of what worked for the scene. If it was action they felt they needed, there could have been a lot more dark corner shanking of Greens and Blacks.
RobertB wrote: Spoilers for RoP:
Warning: Spoiler!
Everything but the scenes with the hobbits was hot garbage. Which is sad, because the hobbit scenes are generally bad.
Pretty much every scene with an Elf in it made no sense, although I thought the part where Sauron is selling, "Let's get hitched and Rule the World" was pretty good. Assuming of course that we forget all the Really Bad Stuff that Sauron has done.
Evidently Galadriel doesn't think that she should mention that Halbrand was really Sauron to her friends. And that she still thinks that Sauron's ring creation scheme is still a good idea.
The Numenoreans weren't doing much better. It turns out that a company-level (a troop?) cavalry unit wasn't quite enough to fix the problems in Middle Earth. So for no apparent reason except for maybe being literally blinded, Miriel now has her mad on, and is wanting another go-round at this.
I've given up expecting any logic from RoP. I watch it for the beautiful vistas and cinematography in any non-action sequence. It is sloppy in dialogue, ranging from blathering highbrow nonsense delivered with a painful earnest grimace to persistent contradiction of a character from scene to scene. I doubt it will improve in S2, but maybe they can at least construct a decent action scene as they have whiffed on every one so far. I can only imagine what the dwarves versus a Balrog is gonna look like with this current production team.
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18 Oct 2022 14:55 #336249
by Gregarius
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I like how they treat Rhaenys as the one person trying to stay out of everything. All the GoT stuff seems to revolve around "In the game of thrones, you win, or you die." Rhaenys is trying hard not to play, and so far has stayed alive. It's a nice counterpoint to all the intrigue and death everyone else is wrapped up in. Were her actions bad choices? Probably, in the long run, but they were true to her character. People are flawed.
It makes sense to me, anyway, no hand gestures required.
Replied by Gregarius on topic What TV SHOWS are you watching?
There's still one episode left, so that wasn't the finale.RobertB wrote: House of the Dragon - parts of it were really good, and parts of it were really dumb. IMO the writers painted themselves into a corner, and the showrunners kind of handwaved about why certain things didn't happen *makes wanking gesture*.
ETA: Spoilers for HotD:
Warning: Spoiler!
Rhaenys (The Queen Who Wasn't) flew her dragon straight into that ceremony to end this series at S1E9. As to why she didn't, in the "behind the scenes" show afterwards, the showrunners said, "Then she felt sorry for Allicent, bonds of motherhood, blah blah blah." Total horseshit. They should have come up with something cooler to do with the dragon that made more sense. Rhaenys's dragon comes when it's called, and busts up the dragon pens Real Good or something. The rest of the show was okay though.
Also:
Warning: Spoiler!
Rhaenys's dragon DID bust up the dragon pens real good. It burst up through the floor and destroyed the place. Not sure how that isn't what you wanted.
I like how they treat Rhaenys as the one person trying to stay out of everything. All the GoT stuff seems to revolve around "In the game of thrones, you win, or you die." Rhaenys is trying hard not to play, and so far has stayed alive. It's a nice counterpoint to all the intrigue and death everyone else is wrapped up in. Were her actions bad choices? Probably, in the long run, but they were true to her character. People are flawed.
It makes sense to me, anyway, no hand gestures required.
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18 Oct 2022 15:51 - 18 Oct 2022 16:13 #336251
by RobertB
I was being a smartass and saying the show would have ended right there.
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I guess that what I saw wasn't her trying to get out; she walked the dragon right up to the altar. And Rhaenys had seen Lord John Malkovich hanging from a doorway as an example of what choosing the wrong side gets you. Your interpretation does make good sense, but that's not what the showrunner said the scene was about. He blathered on about Rhaenys having an attack of motherhood, etc.
As for the dragon pens, ISTR the scene in GoT where someone (don't remember who) had a conversation that went, "Isn't this where they used to keep dragons way back when?" But dragon pens under the church makes as much sense as anything in the show these days, I guess.
ETA: the spousal unit weighs in:
She said that stuff she's seen about HotD book vs. show fits in with what you're saying. That Rhaenys just kind of fades away in the book, and the scene we're discussing never happened in the book. So Rhaenys flying back to Driftmark and saying, "Give me a call when you folks sort your shit out," would let the show get back on track with the book.
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Gregarius wrote:
There's still one episode left, so that wasn't the finale.RobertB wrote: House of the Dragon - parts of it were really good, and parts of it were really dumb. IMO the writers painted themselves into a corner, and the showrunners kind of handwaved about why certain things didn't happen *makes wanking gesture*.
ETA: Spoilers for HotD:
Warning: Spoiler!
Rhaenys (The Queen Who Wasn't) flew her dragon straight into that ceremony to end this series at S1E9. As to why she didn't, in the "behind the scenes" show afterwards, the showrunners said, "Then she felt sorry for Allicent, bonds of motherhood, blah blah blah." Total horseshit. They should have come up with something cooler to do with the dragon that made more sense. Rhaenys's dragon comes when it's called, and busts up the dragon pens Real Good or something. The rest of the show was okay though.
Also:
Warning: Spoiler!Rhaenys's dragon DID bust up the dragon pens real good. It burst up through the floor and destroyed the place. Not sure how that isn't what you wanted.
I like how they treat Rhaenys as the one person trying to stay out of everything. All the GoT stuff seems to revolve around "In the game of thrones, you win, or you die." Rhaenys is trying hard not to play, and so far has stayed alive. It's a nice counterpoint to all the intrigue and death everyone else is wrapped up in. Were her actions bad choices? Probably, in the long run, but they were true to her character. People are flawed.
It makes sense to me, anyway, no hand gestures required.
I was being a smartass and saying the show would have ended right there.
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Warning: Spoiler!
I guess that what I saw wasn't her trying to get out; she walked the dragon right up to the altar. And Rhaenys had seen Lord John Malkovich hanging from a doorway as an example of what choosing the wrong side gets you. Your interpretation does make good sense, but that's not what the showrunner said the scene was about. He blathered on about Rhaenys having an attack of motherhood, etc.
As for the dragon pens, ISTR the scene in GoT where someone (don't remember who) had a conversation that went, "Isn't this where they used to keep dragons way back when?" But dragon pens under the church makes as much sense as anything in the show these days, I guess.
ETA: the spousal unit weighs in:
Warning: Spoiler!
She said that stuff she's seen about HotD book vs. show fits in with what you're saying. That Rhaenys just kind of fades away in the book, and the scene we're discussing never happened in the book. So Rhaenys flying back to Driftmark and saying, "Give me a call when you folks sort your shit out," would let the show get back on track with the book.
Last edit: 18 Oct 2022 16:13 by RobertB.
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19 Oct 2022 02:32 #336263
by Gary Sax
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I'm a bit behind you all, but I thought the 8th episode was really good of house of the dragon. It just works a lot better when it's personal bullshit between them, and it really helps that the guy playing Viserys (what's left of him) is just a good actor.
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19 Oct 2022 09:15 #336271
by jason10mm
Yeah, the move gets Rhaenys back where she is supposed to be, and if
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RobertB wrote: ETA: the spousal unit weighs in:
Warning: Spoiler!
She said that stuff she's seen about HotD book vs. show fits in with what you're saying. That Rhaenys just kind of fades away in the book, and the scene we're discussing never happened in the book. So Rhaenys flying back to Driftmark and saying, "Give me a call when you folks sort your shit out," would let the show get back on track with the book.
Yeah, the move gets Rhaenys back where she is supposed to be, and if
Warning: Spoiler!
she had just popped out of one of the many(?) other exits, did a quick 'F U' victory lap around the dragonpit, then took off for Driftmark or Dragonstone I don't think I'd have much of an issue with it.
Buuuuuuut, having her crash through the floor, in the middle of the coronation, in FULL PLATE ARMOR, make a big show of force to the entire royal family, it's just too much of a ham fisted girlboss moment that is very uncharacteristic of GRRMs writing and the tone of the show. No Kingsguard whisked Aegon away SS style, Aemon stood there like a stump, etc It's the first moment of the show that felt really really off and naturally it's a moment entirely invented for the show.
Buuuuuuut, having her crash through the floor, in the middle of the coronation, in FULL PLATE ARMOR, make a big show of force to the entire royal family, it's just too much of a ham fisted girlboss moment that is very uncharacteristic of GRRMs writing and the tone of the show. No Kingsguard whisked Aegon away SS style, Aemon stood there like a stump, etc It's the first moment of the show that felt really really off and naturally it's a moment entirely invented for the show.
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