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Game of Thrones TV extravaganza
Gary Sax wrote: Horseshit episodes. A lot of good posts here. I'll absolutely buy the core twist on Dany, but the work here is completely hamfisted and bizarrely 2 episodes long and incoherent.
What an ugly, shitty end to what may be the only end I see to my favorite book series.
"George R.R. Martin debunks ‘crazy story’ that the ‘Game of Thrones’ books are finished"
www.latimes.com/books/la-et-jc-george-rr...-20190513-story.html
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Season 2: burned a warlock
Season 3: burned several slave owners immediately after buying their slaves
Season 4: crucified 163 captives (not burning, but still pretty bad)
Season 6: burned several Dothraki warlords during a meeting, and ordered the execution of two of three slave masters during a parley
Season 7: burned a couple of POWs
Season 8: burned a former advisor and a densely populated city
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I don't think Dany ever really got how fucking crazy her Dad was. She thought the Tarlys might bend the knee, but they were like, "Fuck off, Hitler Jr." Think about the Targaryens like that. He was a raving psychopath full of brain worms and wildfire. And now his daughter comes along from across the sea and says, "I'm in charge now."
Shouldn't Westeros be all "Dip me in dragon flame then, I want no part of it."
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There are several scenes, the most powerful of which is Jaime iirc, describing having to stand in the court and watch the mad king burn people alive. Or how he is covered with scabs from his like 10 inch long fingermails and the cuts from the iron throne. I think holding all that in the back of your mind here is useful.
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Gary Sax wrote: Jeb, I agree, I don't think the show (ANY show, not just this one) has the time to lay the groundwork the books laid about just how much people preferred having fairly arbitrary, drunk Baratheon on the throne from a day to day perspective to the mad king years. It changes how you feel about some key characters, too---the Kingslayer or his turncloak father vs. "good" loyalists like Ser Barristan.
There are several scenes, the most powerful of which is Jaime iirc, describing having to stand in the court and watch the mad king burn people alive. Or how he is covered with scabs from his like 10 inch long fingermails and the cuts from the iron throne. I think holding all that in the back of your mind here is useful.
What frustrates me is that they have Bran, the Three-eyed Exposition Machine, sitting RIGHT THERE. It would have been very effective to have Bran flashback to some of these critical points in Westeros history, like maybe the Mad King roasting Ned's father alive, or Jamie choosing to kill the Mad King and save the people of King's Landing. Show us some of this stuff! Instead ... Bran sits in his chair and stares and says cryptic bullshit. Why bother introducing his abilities, only to not do a goddamn thing with them? He's a built-in flashback-generating storytelling device! USE HIM! So stupid.
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BRAN: "There was a starving. A great one. Only crows were sated." /stares
HAND: "Uhhh. Yes. Anyway, we have stored some grain, should we r--"
BRAN: "I am not hungry. I no longer eat. I will go now" /eyes roll back
HAND: "Fucking hell..."
BRAN: "I heard that, I hear everyth--"
HAND: "I KNOW."
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HAND: "Your Grace, the people are starving, perhaps we could open the gran--"
ROBERT BARATHEON: "I need more wine!"
HAND: "Uhhh. Yes. Anyway, we have stored some grain, should we r--"
ROBERT BARATHEON: "You ever fucked a really ugly girl? I did once."
HAND: "Fucking hell..."
ROBERT BARATHEON: "Watch it! I am the King!"
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jeb wrote: HAND: "Your Grace, the people are starving, perhaps we could open the gran--"
BRAN: "There was a starving. A great one. Only crows were sated." /stares
HAND: "Uhhh. Yes. Anyway, we have stored some grain, should we r--"
BRAN: "I am not hungry. I no longer eat. I will go now" /eyes roll back
HAND: "Fucking hell..."
BRAN: "I heard that, I hear everyth--"
HAND: "I KNOW."
Reminds me of my favorite GoT meme:
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The big, big miss for me was the choice of Bran. The show has done nothing, NOTHING, to back up that choice or to make him work at all as a character and certainly not as a politician/adult. My ideal version of this ending is Gendry or like Davos chosen, obviously weak puppets, and an elected succession or some other alternate selection system being put in place.
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Wouldn’t John be ineligible for the throne since he renounced all claims when he joined the Night’s Watch? Or is all tradition/institutional law out the window at this point?
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