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DC unveils Watchmen prequels...

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03 Feb 2012 18:27 #115227 by Shellhead

Jackwraith wrote:

Shellhead wrote: I read V for Vendetta exactly once, issue by issue, back when it came out. So maybe my recollection is off. But what I remember is being very disappointed at a shift in tone partway through the story. Maybe 2/3 of the way through. I don't remember now exactly what that shift was, but it didn't feel deliberate, it felt mistaken. Like Moore got writer's block partway through and lost his feel for the tone or theme or characterization or something important when he finally got back to writing.


Ha. That's pretty perceptive, because there was a gap. It was begun in the British anthology Warrior, in the early 80s. When Warrior got cancelled, DC offered to pick up V but it didn't get sorted out for two or three years and he finished writing it around 1987. So, yes, there is a change of tone but I didn't think it was overwhelming. The pacing does change a bit because the original segments in Warrior were 12 or 15 pages, as opposed to the 24 of standard comic length, so there are adjustments that had to be made in that respect, too.


I didn't know that V for Vendetta started in Warrior. I just read the DC version.

By the way, since we're talking about everything Moore has written, I just want to take this opportunity to warn everybody again about Neonomicon. Moore did an amazing job with the Cthulhu Mythos in The Courtyard, but his follow up mini-series Neonomicon is really nasty. There are still some flashes of brilliance here and there, but way too much rape.

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03 Feb 2012 20:46 #115250 by hotseatgames
Wow, 3 pages of hate! Watchmen is my second-favorite comic, next to Akira. If these stories are good or at least visually interesting, I'll give them a chance, in trade form.

After the best steak you ever had, did you never eat another?

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03 Feb 2012 20:50 - 03 Feb 2012 20:52 #115252 by OldHippy

Shellhead wrote: By the way, since we're talking about everything Moore has written, I just want to take this opportunity to warn everybody again about Neonomicon. Moore did an amazing job with the Cthulhu Mythos in The Courtyard, but his follow up mini-series Neonomicon is really nasty. There are still some flashes of brilliance here and there, but way too much rape.


You warned me when I was half way through. So I had very low expectations for the ending. I read all the sex stuff after you warned me but after Lost Girls when I did get there it seemed really tame and kind of comical. Appropriate in some ways. I enjoyed it all in all, about as much as The Courtyard. Better then Promethea anyway. Not his strongest work but worth a read.

I think Promethea is when he first started playing around with what sex and sexuality can mean to character and story but it was still too creepy and he didn't seem to get it. I think his new wife or whatever their relationship is helped him a lot. Lost Girls (which she does the art for) really explores some interesting idea's about what sex can mean to story... Neonomicon is a little bit of that knowledge put into motion.

But they are not for the prudish I suppose. A friend flipped through Neonomicon at work and said if his wife found it he would have to have it removed. Personally I don't mind erotica and none of this stuff is anything other than story and ideas to me.
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03 Feb 2012 20:57 #115256 by Shellhead

hotseatgames wrote: Wow, 3 pages of hate! Watchmen is my second-favorite comic, next to Akira. If these stories are good or at least visually interesting, I'll give them a chance, in trade form.

After the best steak you ever had, did you never eat another?


As a matter of fact, I dined on the most amazing steak in 1991, and it was years before I had another steak. I was at a small dinner party and the host had a built-in grill in his fancy kitchen. He cooked my porterhouse steak slightly well-done, just the way I like it, and seasoned it with chunky groundup black pepper. Amazing. I'm a reasonably good cook, but it was several years before I tried to replicate that steak, and the result was very disappointing. The next time I had steak was in '04, at a fancy restaurant, and it was very good, but not amazing. I've been eating more steak in recent years, but nothing has measured up to that porterhouse steak in '91 so far.

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03 Feb 2012 20:58 #115257 by Shellhead

JonJacob wrote:

Shellhead wrote: By the way, since we're talking about everything Moore has written, I just want to take this opportunity to warn everybody again about Neonomicon. Moore did an amazing job with the Cthulhu Mythos in The Courtyard, but his follow up mini-series Neonomicon is really nasty. There are still some flashes of brilliance here and there, but way too much rape.


You warned me when I was half way through. So I had very low expectations for the ending. I read all the sex stuff after you warned me but after Lost Girls when I did get there it seemed really tame and kind of comical. Appropriate in some ways. I enjoyed it all in all, about as much as The Courtyard. Better then Promethea anyway. Not his strongest work but worth a read.

I think Promethea is when he first started playing around with what sex and sexuality can mean to character and story but it was still too creepy and he didn't seem to get it. I think his new wife or whatever their relationship is helped him a lot. Lost Girls (which she does the art for) really explores some interesting idea's about what sex can mean to story... Neonomicon is a little bit of that knowledge put into motion.

But they are not for the prudish I suppose. A friend flipped through Neonomicon at work and said if his wife found it he would have to have it removed. Personally I don't mind erotica and none of this stuff is anything other than story and ideas to me.


I'm intrigued but worried about Lost Girls. It sounds like it might technically be kiddy porn, but everyone who has actually read it speaks highly (though vaguely) about Lost Girls.

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03 Feb 2012 21:06 #115259 by OldHippy

I'm intrigued but worried about Lost Girls. It sounds like it might technically be kiddy porn, but everyone who has actually read it speaks highly (though vaguely) about Lost Girls.


If the sex stuff in Neonomicon bothered you Lost Girls would possibly make you vomit. It's not sexy, it is creepy, and it is disgusting and yes, it borders on kiddie porn if you read it that way.

But it is surprisingly unsexy given the material. I found myself treating it all as ideas, not a single erection through the whole reading. I say that just to make it clear. But I think you'd hate it and should probably steer clear. I got it for super cheap and it was hard to pass up.

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04 Feb 2012 01:53 #115285 by Stephen Avery
I'm going to read them. Screw the haters.

Steve"even liked the watchman movie- sorta"Avery

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06 Feb 2012 15:14 - 06 Feb 2012 15:15 #115406 by dragonstout
I don't want to read the last three pages of comments here because they'll probably make me vomit and lose respect for some posters here, but please read this if you're considering spending money on this (and a correction to my earlier post: Moore was not to get the rights to Watchmen "some number of years" after it goes out of print, but ONE single year after it goes out of print; he should have owned Watchmen over 15 years ago):

robot6.comicbookresources.com/2012/02/we...and-creators-rights/

Perhaps the worst thing about our current era is that those who have legitimate reason to complain about their mistreatment are the ones most frequently shouted down by a certain cross-section of their fans, a mercenary bunch who seem to care more for ensuring that they never, ever lose the chance to get more of the same in a timely fashion than if the people producing that same are treated with a certain amount of decency and respect.

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06 Feb 2012 15:19 #115409 by dragonstout

Jackwraith wrote: Of course, if you ask Alan, he'll say that his finest work was Big Numbers. Everybody has their foci in life.


Huh, is this true? I'd be shocked if this were the case; he seemed very bitter about the dissolution of Big Numbers (it went unfinished due to various complications with both the artists, about which you can read the whole story in "How To Be An Artist"). I'd expect he'd say Lost Girls or From Hell.

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06 Feb 2012 23:34 #115466 by Ancient_of_MuMu
Last night I was watching The Simpsons and it featured Alan Moore being asked by Milhouse to sign a copy of "Watchmen Babies in V for Vacation". And that appeals to me more than these prequel comics.
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