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jeb wrote: Man, they had John Byrne drawing EVERY damn thing back then.
I liked Adam Warlock too--that was all Jim Starlin and lots and lots of druuuuugs. I never really "got" Thanos--seems a little on the nose, you know? I always hated the dumb names, which Marvel avoided for the most part. No one names a kid Edward Nigma, come on. "Aw darling, look at his widdo purpu facey-wacey! Let's name his DEATHY MCDEATHERSON."
Marvel had one of the worst or perhaps most awesome dumb name ever. Black Bolt, king of the Inhumans, was named by his parents as Blackagar Boltagon.
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JonJacob wrote: Yeah, I fucking love Dr. Strange and yet I can't think of a single run that I've read. I know I have read several, but none were good enough to stick with me. I don't know if there is a Walt Simonson Thor equivalent for Dr. Strange or not. Cool character though.
I really should have said something like, 'name their best run too', just so I have something to check out.
The best Doctor Strange run was written by Steve Englehart and drawn by John Brunner.
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Anyway, second and third string heroes...there are WAY WAY WAY more of them than the marquee names, you know.
I like all of the Justice Society characters, . They have an intriguing mix of old timeyness, lameness and good characterization.
Doom Patrol, obviously.
Doctor Strange is awesome, but he is just such a 1970s character to me. "The Oath" is awesome as Josh mentioned.
Animal Man rules. He'd probably be my favorite C-lister.
I LOVE Iron Fist even though he's pretty much the usual Bruce Wayne/Oliver Queen sort.
Grant Morrison's Seven Soldiers of Victory is kind of like taking a couple of D-Z list characters and making a superhero universe around them. It's pretty awesome,
Those old Jack Cole Plastic Man books are awesome, definitely recommend those.
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Of course, Iron Man is really an A-list character these days, having been featured in several Marvel movies now. Digging a bit deeper, I have always been a big fan of Hawkeye. The Fraction/Aja run in his solo book was probably the best, but I am personally fond of Avengers #189 as the single best Hawkeye story ever. At all costs, avoid the post-Byrne issues of West Coast Avengers, which got really bad, and then even worse.
And if Hawkeye is still too mainstream, due to his appearance in various Marvel movies, then I choose Iron Fist. He is one of Marvel's top martial artists, plus he gained mystic chi powers by defeating a dragon. His old solo series by John Byrne was pretty good, but eclipsed by the Fraction/Brubaker run from several years back. Although the old Power Man & Iron Fist comic was fun, it went badly towards the end.
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Totally forgot, I'm a huge Martian Manhunter fan. He may not have any great solo stories, but his place in the universe and how he's utilized can be so damned cool. That bit in New Frontier where he's trying to learn how to be human by watching TV is downright heartwarming.
I'm betting on a reveal of him somewhere in the end of BvS. They'll essentially put the JLA together at the end of the movie and Zack Snyder steps out from behind the camera, winks at the audience and announces, "SEE, I JUST PUT THE JUSTICE LEAGUE TOGETHER, I TOTALLY GET THIS STUFF."
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WHAT IF they did a FF film SET IN 1961 instead of trying to make one of Marvel's most old fashioned teams "relevant" to a modern audience? If the right director, writer and cast went all-in on making it a PERIOD superhero film, it could be something really great.
Fox has actually kind of played with doing this in X-Men: First Class and Days of Future Past (both of which I've seen like 10 minutes of), so I have no idea why they wouldn't just go balls out on a property they've flunked three times now and see if an entirely different approach would work. They even went period with Wolverine.
I would actually contact Marvel and offer to write them a small check to cover some of the bellbottoms and afro-sheen if they announced a 1970s Iron Fist. Doctor Strange should have been a 70s setting too.
I think I've decided that the Captain America movies are the best Marvel movies anyway...I thought I was getting tired of them, but man, that Civil War trailer...
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Josh Look wrote: I'm betting on a reveal of him somewhere in the end of BvS. They'll essentially put the JLA together at the end of the movie and Zack Snyder steps out from behind the camera, winks at the audience and announces, "SEE, I JUST PUT THE JUSTICE LEAGUE TOGETHER, I TOTALLY GET THIS STUFF."
I think he will reveal Booster Gold. He will show up with a grim countenance and black muscle armor. Then he will murder Plastic Man as his initiation into the Justice Motherfucking League of Evil America. He and Martian Manhunter will furrow their brows together in anguish.
Then Jesse Eisenberg's Willy Wonka will pop out and sing "The Candyman Can".
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Can't complain too much about the lost opportunity though since we got the Netflicks series.
I'd kill for a 70s Batman flick in the vein of the Engleheart Detective run. Something more colorful than we're used to but just dark enough with Batman actually living up to his World's Greatest Detective title. We still haven't seen that side of the character in the celluloid medium, but no, I guess Snyder and co. will dish out more of the same with lots of shots meant to evoke the classic works without any of the substance.
Well, some people will see it. I sure as fuck won't.
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Michael Barnes wrote: The above is EXACTLY why they can't get Fantastic Four right at the movies.
WHAT IF they did a FF film SET IN 1961 instead of trying to make one of Marvel's most old fashioned teams "relevant" to a modern audience? If the right director, writer and cast went all-in on making it a PERIOD superhero film, it could be something really great.
I actually think The Incredibles is as good as it gets for a modernized FF.
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That said, I've read next to no issues of Fantastic Four because I don't give a fuck about any of the others, or their enemies, or who needs punching or crying at or whatever. I'm a Fake Thing Fan, like those bros you see wearing Superman tats or Batman shirts who've never actually read any comics. And I'm not looking for recommendations for Thing comics, because I still don't care about anything else in the Marvel Universe (or DCU at that).
Even I don't understand this, and it's happening in my head, but if you asked for my favorite, the Thing is somewhere up there. Just don't ask me to read anything with him in it.
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That's compelling shit right there.
I think a movie set in the 60's would be cool but I think it could really work in the modern era. With future NASA space exploration cancelled, Richards leads a private company like Space-X putting his own ship in orbit. He's in a race to get it done before a rival company, led by Victor Von Doom, gets there first. That explains why the ship isn't properly shielded because it was a rush job. Shit hits the fan and coolness ensues.
I'd love to see a cameo by The Invisable Woman on a show or in a movie where some B or C list heroes are trying to stop a bank robbery and having a really hard time defeating the baddie. Like they are desperate. Sue Richards walks in dressed in ultra chic business attire looks at her watch and gives a "I haven't got time for this today" look, slaps a force bubble around the baddies head and suffocates him to unconsciousness without breaking a sweat. She then proceeds to the teller window as if nothing has happened.
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I love the time travel pirate story where Reed and the others have to talk him out of staying on as a pirate captain...because the Pirates just accept him for who he is.
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As time went on, Ben evolved into an even more interesting character. If the Fantastic Four was a family, Ben was the curmudgeonly uncle who would grumble but never let you down. He fell in love with a blind woman who loved him back for being a good man even when he only saw a monster in the mirror. Ben also became the FF member who most actively fought crime when the team wasn't out on adventures. He got to know a lot of other heroes through team-ups, and eventually played host to regular poker nights with the other heroes. He also went from hollering in amazement at everything to becoming fairly nonchalant about even the weirdest threats. In the FF, Ben was often a punching bag, but in his team-up book and solo title, he was a more capable and even canny fighter, always looking for an advantage when mere superhuman strength was not enough.
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