Coronavirus

Man, some of you guys got friends to spare if you can burn one over something like that. I'm sure I can find a horribly contentious issue I disagree over with just about anyone but I tend to focus on the agreements.

I think it's clear that the "all stick" approach is not going to work, but suggesting that offering the hesitant people free money will work seems to fly in the face of the evidence to date. People in SW Missouri were showing up in disguises to get shots, because vaccination actually makes you lose status or wear a mark of shame in the circles they travel in. So there's a lot more going on than people simply evaluating the decision on the basis of personal benefit.

Though I don't remember who did the polling, the biggest motivators look likely to be things you'd just miss out on--was it 40% or more who said a vaccination requirement to board a commercial airline flight would shift their thinking? It's less aggressive than I'd prefer, but if people prize the freedom to opt out of this that much, then they need to be ready to accept the tradeoffs that come with it: can't fly domestically, can't earn a paycheck from certain employers, etc.

ubarose wrote:

jason10mm wrote:
Younger folk seem to be embracing the HPV vaccine about like they do the covid vaccine and that has certainly shown an effect. It's all about the messaging I suppose. Granted, that is primarily a pediatric vaccine and the lethality is, in this country at least, far lower, so maybe it gets exempted from the "unvaccinated people are killing us with their contagious disease so let's throw them into the sun" rhetoric

I had a huge fight with a friend who wouldn't get her sons vaccinated against HPV. We haven't spoken in 10 years as a result. She felt that since men don't get cervical cancer, there was no reason for her sons to get the vaccine, and that it was women's responsibility to protect themselves and perfectly okay for her sons to be potential carriers. So, yeah, she can burn up in the sun, but I did feel sorry for her kids. I hope that now that her son's are adults, they have chosen to get the vaccine, although many health insurers don't cover the HPV vaccine if you are over 18, and it is pretty expensive (about $600).

Wasn’t Michael Douglas’ throat cancer caused by HPV?

JoelCFC25 wrote: People in SW Missouri were showing up in disguises to get shots, because vaccination actually makes you lose status or wear a mark of shame in the circles they travel in. So there's a lot more going on than people simply evaluating the decision on the basis of personal benefit.

Home Sweet Home.

I’ve been actively lobbying my mom to move from there for years now

A good college friend of mine was fortunate enough to beat oropharyngeal cancer about 5 years ago--which would have been prevented had the HPV vaccine existed when we were kids.

I get so aggravated at people who enjoy having been vaccinated as children and deciding not to extend that benefit to their own kids.

One case was found in Auckland yesterday and last night the whole of New Zealand went into full Level 4 lockdown. Where I live - about three hours away from the two areas of interest - it's only for three days. Although I'll wager that will be extended.

But in Auckland, and the district the infected person visited on the weekend before showing symptoms, the full lockdown is for seven days. Again, I expect it will be extended as it's fairly certain to be the Delta variant.

n815e wrote: I get so aggravated at people who enjoy having been vaccinated as children and deciding not to extend that benefit to their own kids.

One of my old neighbors said she didn't need to get her kids vaccinated because everyone else's were. Then she got completely pissy when our school fell below the state-mandated vaccine threshold and unvaccinated kids were instructed to no longer report to school.

Kmann wrote: One case was found in Auckland yesterday and last night the whole of New Zealand went into full Level 4 lockdown. Where I live - about three hours away from the two areas of interest - it's only for three days. Although I'll wager that will be extended.

But in Auckland and the district the infected person visited on the weekend before showing symptoms the full lockdown is for seven days. Again, I expect it will be extended as it's fairly certain to be the Delta variant.

Since it is so bloody contagious that is the only thing to do as it spreads faster than humans can make decisions, you'd think from watching what happened over here in the UK when the Delta arrived - we shut the whole country down for months but still weren't fast enough to prevent tens of thousands of deaths - the rest of the world would pay attention but no, Sydney only locked down a few suburbs instead of the whole city and now they are in a bad place.
I've already posted back for all my friends and family in NZ to follow the Lockdown completely because once it gets in it will take a lot of pain, deaths, and money to get rid of it.

My friend in Florida was going to take a vacation in eastern Europe in the near future, but decided to cancel after talking to his doctor about his compromised immune system. Even though eastern Europe is having a rough time with Covid right now, it's worse in Florida but a long flight is even more risky.

Can't wait to go into the classroom with a heavily disputed classroom mask mandate and no personal authority to enforce it. But college kids have been very good about vaccinations so I'm sure it'll go great.

www.texastribune.org/2021/08/17/texas-go...bott-positive-covid/

To me it is extremely frustrating that Abbott is receiving regeneron, which is for very very sick people. At least Trump, according to the Washington Post, was pretty close to going on a ventilator so his super advanced treatments were somewhat matched to his severity.