I Just Wanna Say...

Sagrilarus wrote:

ubarose wrote: peach vs salmon.

I'll just mention that "peach vs salmon" is my Niagara Falls phrase, the result of a truly horrendously bad blind date 30 years ago. I still twitch when someone says it, I'm ok when I see it in print.

OMG me too! You are going to have to tell me that story.

I literally just got out of a meeting where I couldn't take it anymore and finally just had to blurt out:

"Do you want #fdf5e6 or #ffe4b5 or #ffd0b5"

Google it to understand the depths of my hell.

P.S. My team leader, who was the only other programmer in the meeting, sees all of these as grey.

Frohike wrote: That "get stuff done between sprints" thing triggers me. The CSS work should be a sprint/backlog item. If sprints can't accommodate that work, then they should be expanded to do so. Otherwise you're just doing non-transparent work, which defeats the purpose of doing Agile in the first place.

I just intensely dislike this trend of workplaces adopting Agile language or half-assing some of the concepts, while still basically doing the same thing they've always done with "sprints" thrown into the mix.

Ok, scrum master/product owner hat off.

Oh, they are totally half-assing it. Honestly, I think the only reason they do it is so our managers can show upper management a pretty graph that says we are on schedule. But they just tweak the numbers anyway so the graph looks good.

The crux of the problem is that our pool of testers is too shallow, and is shared by multiple projects. Everything bottle necks in testing, so we end up using sprint break for bug fixes. The testers are so far behind right now that we don’t even have any bugs to fix on our project, so we are calling the CSS cleanup bug fixes. The alternative is that the developers sit on their hands for a week doing nothing. Or we don’t have a break and the testers lose their ever loving minds.

Ancient_of_MuMu wrote: I wish my work had testers ... and a bug database ... and a build server .. and people commenting their code ... and people commenting their check ins

Not having testers is foolish. Developers are terrible at testing. It's like that joke:

A programmer walks into a bar. Orders a beer. Orders 0 beers. Orders 99999999999 beers. Orders a lizard. Orders -1 beers. Orders a ueicbksjdhd.

First real customer walks in and asks where the bathroom is. The bar bursts into flames, killing everyone.

Also, testers get paid less than developers, so hiring one full-time tester buys you the equivalent amount of developer time at a discount.

I will confess to not adequately commenting my code.

I agree with both Sag & Jeb.

For my current project, Agile allowed our manager to go to upper management and say that with current resources the project would take 4 years to complete, but we could roll out functionality in pieces beginning in 8 months. That wasn't acceptable, so we were given more resources.

On the other hand, we told our manger that we needed 3 scrums to lay the foundation and fuck around with it, and that there would be nothing to see until the 4th scrum. He didn't like that, so he gave the team lead one-month to do "Pre-work" work (which is bullshit non-transparent work as described by Frohike) and set-up the foundation of the project. Then gave us two scrums to finish up the foundation and get out a couple of pages to test the foundation. He then panicked at the beginning of the 2nd scrum that we had "nothing to show" and forced us to abandon our foundation work and churn out some some stuff. We are now having to go back and rewrite and adjust things fucking repeatedly, because every time we lay in a new floor, the whole structure gets tippy.

Turek wrote: At least now its easier than ever to center divs.

I guess. In this particular case there were a bunch of nested divs, and there was an extra end tag in the middle and, therefore, also a missing end tag on the outer div. So I essentially had two containers instead of one. After walking away from it and then coming back to look at it with fresh eyes, it was immediately obvious.