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Creativity Quest
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I've been playing hobby games for over 30 years, the majority of that time focused on board games. Increasingly, I've been growing bored with them. Not in the sense that the games themselves are boring, but that they all look the same. Consider what lit up geeks in 2016. Terraforming Mars, which was arguably an outer space version of Agricola. Scythe, another step in the plodding evolution of the "waro", a genre that sprang up around the turn of the millennium. Even my favourite game from last year, Hands in the Sea, is a straight-up rehash of A Few Acres of Snow.
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In terms of innovative, last thing that comes to mind is one of Felli's designs. I found Shadows of Malice pretty innovative.
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You compare Terraforming Mars to Agricola, which is a lot of a stretch but okay, sure, I'll play along. I'm a TM fanboy and have played it 20 times since I got it in October. It doesn't do a damn thing that is novel. But it does what it does in a way that is, to me, interesting and fun, and its design has the effect of making the plays unfold differently. For me, that's fine.
I have a lot of games on my shelf now and I am slowing down in adding them. This hasn't been hard. It would be even easier if I decided that a game wasn't worthwhile unless it was a bona fide seismic shift in the board game landscape. As you note, that doesn't happen often.
Furthermore, are those seismic games the ones you want? Caylus brought worker placement into the spotlight, but it is the WP game you play? Dominion was deck-building, but is Dominion itself the one to stick with? Trajan and Tzolkin both have some interesting mechanisms in them but both games are boring as shit.
I absolutely think there are too many games coming out now, too many of which can't justify their existence. KS is partly responsible for that. Gamers who fall for "but she's got a new hat!" bullshit are also partly responsible. But this idea that you're only waiting for the absolute moon landing of boardgames seems like just an excuse to stick to playing with Star Wars spaceships and Cosmic Encounter. If you like those and want to focus on them, go for it. You don't have to justify it by saying that you're forced to do so by the failure of the industry to turn out a new masterpiece every month.
Nerds certainly don't save their movie watching time and money for groundbreaking feats of artistic genius. Nor do they do so with books, music, or other entertainment. We sure as shit don't only dine on rare spotted ocelot tartare at 4-star restaurants. So while the board game industry definitely needs to step up its output quality, I don't think they need to only produce the finest world-shattering products.
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Yeah, there's not a lot going on that's new. I'm surprised you left out Kingdom Death since people were going on and on about it, and Frank wrote about it (which is a rare luxury).
Other than that, not a lot new. The game I made for Zev has some new stuff but it's not SO new that it will be entirely groundbreaking. I suspect 2 things to be copied by other games (branching campaign, and another which I can't discuss) but beyond that, it's like everything else: we make games we want to play, and a lot of times, that includes things we have experience with.
The last game that I played and found to be really "different" was Ferox. Which is just a Revolver knockoff in many ways but still...something was there: A soul.
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SuperflyTNT wrote: The game
Iwe made for Zev
Fixed that for you.
Really original games I can think of in a relatively recent time frame:
- Zimby Mojo
- Guards of Atlantis
- ...hmm. Maybe that's it for now.
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For actual ameritrash fun, I don't think a game has taken the small scale skirmish combat and done a better job than Gorechosen. Nothing groundbreaking about it other than doing it extremely well.
I guess I'm just here to agree with essentially everything Master Lartigue said. Especially about output quality versus innovation.
He made a good point about being sick of seeing GW being so strongly discussed here. But with the output quality inn the industry being so dry, its hard not to look to them to see what that games former glory might have in store as a breath if fresh air.
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For example, the recent event that is Gloomhaven? Sure you can have super immersive world with lots of stuff, because the box comes with... lots of stuff? I'm getting more and more critical to games, and one that's pretty high in my list of priority is doing the most with least. That's a huge part of what makes board game interesting to me. I don't mind dabbling in only 1 or 2 game systems also.
Dominion concept didn't surprise me because I've actually thought of it. I just had not thought so many shuffling would be acceptable.
Anyway, this just makes me want to play more of my small collection.
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And I've said this before on these forums, but for me the reason to play new games is because they all tell a different story in a different way. So even if a game is pretty damn close to another game, the little differences in how the mechanisms fit with the story can make a huge difference.
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When I looked at Gloomhaven I thought 'Why go to all this effort to 'simulate' an RPG?' - Why not just play an RPG? Roleplaying games have had their own quiet revolution. 5th edition is excellent and the Cypher system games (numenera) are just incredible. The barrier to entry for RPG's has never been lower....
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Bojack wrote: Life is too short Matt, you just sound like someone desperately trying to avoid facing up to the reality that Writing about boardgames is just not that interesting and nothing you should be wasting the rest of your Life doing. Just go and play some games with people you like and have fun. Nobody cares. Really.
If no-one cared, I doubt anyone would read the site. As to the rest of your comment: yes, you're largely bang on. It's not that writing about games isn't interesting, more that it's hard to sustain interest for ten years. I'm just trying to do something about it. Maybe it'll work and maybe it won't, but I think I'd rather have a try than just give up.
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Legomancer wrote: Furthermore, are those seismic games the ones you want? Caylus brought worker placement into the spotlight, but it is the WP game you play? Dominion was deck-building, but is Dominion itself the one to stick with? Trajan and Tzolkin both have some interesting mechanisms in them but both games are boring as shit.
It's a fair question. And the answer is: no, they're not the games I want. But in both cases much better games built on those foundations to make really interesting and cool things. Of course, that's not the seismic shift I'm talking about, but the shift was necessary to bring new design angles in to the hobby. It's been a long time since we had any new angles, and it shows.
Legomancer wrote: But this idea that you're only waiting for the absolute moon landing of boardgames seems like just an excuse to stick to playing with Star Wars spaceships and Cosmic Encounter. If you like those and want to focus on them, go for it. You don't have to justify it by saying that you're forced to do so by the failure of the industry to turn out a new masterpiece every month.
I'm not trying to justify it, or at least I'm not trying to justify playing these games. It's more, as Bojack was saying in a kind of circular way, that I do need to justify *writing* about things. I'm tried of writing reviews and commentary pieces that sounds like echoes of each other. It'd also be nice to get that feeling of fresh excitement back again: it's been a long time since a game gave me that.
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MattDP wrote:
Bojack wrote: Life is too short Matt, you just sound like someone desperately trying to avoid facing up to the reality that Writing about boardgames is just not that interesting and nothing you should be wasting the rest of your Life doing. Just go and play some games with people you like and have fun. Nobody cares. Really.
If no-one cared, I doubt anyone would read the site. As to the rest of your comment: yes, you're largely bang on. It's not that writing about games isn't interesting, more that it's hard to sustain interest for ten years. I'm just trying to do something about it. Maybe it'll work and maybe it won't, but I think I'd rather have a try than just give up.
There's a reason that Superfly Circus doesn't put out much anymore. It's 50% because writing about games isn't that interesting anymore, and the other 50% is that most people generally aren't reading for criticism, they're hoping for a rules breakdown and confirmation that the target of their amore is as good as they think it will be, thus making them "smart shoppers".
Me, I don't even want to write anything anymore. I'd rather play music, hang out with my friends and family doing shit outdoors or going somewhere fun. I spent 20 years plus seeking basements and game rooms to spend 6 hours of my life sitting around debating the efficacy of moving a cube from one place to another. Life's too damned short for that shit.
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