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60-60 16 Feb 2010 03:00 #259156


Let's play a game.  I step into a room with all of you, 52 of my favorite game-playing friends.  I crack open a deck of cards, toss out the jokers and deal out one card to each of you.  Go ahead and spend a moment to imagine a card for yourself, that way you can have a stake in this even if it's only in your mind.

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60-60 15 Dec 2017 08:43 #259157

Given the train-wreck tax bill that is currently on the slate in Congress, and given recent news of one missing Senator (illness) and another indicating he may not vote for it, I thought it was worth a look back at something I wrote in 2010 when it was the Democrats that held the majority in the Senate.

Republicans are currently using a special rule that allows them to get away with only 50 votes to pass a bill, and they currently have 52 more or less, so the parallels aren't exact. It's an interesting indication on how far things have deteriorated that what was considered standard operating procedure back in 2010 (60 votes to close debate on a bill and let it proceed) is seen as the "old fashioned" way to pass legislation now.

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60-60 15 Dec 2017 09:05 #259163

Good time to bring this article back. I'm impressed by the several accurate predictions that people here made back in 2010.
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60-60 15 Dec 2017 11:37 #259181

Sagrilarus wrote:
Given the train-wreck tax bill that is currently on the slate in Congress, and given recent news of one missing Senator (illness) and another indicating he may not vote for it, I thought it was worth a look back at something I wrote in 2010 when it was the Democrats that held the majority in the Senate.

Republicans are currently using a special rule that allows them to get away with only 50 votes to pass a bill, and they currently have 52 more or less, so the parallels aren't exact. It's an interesting indication on how far things have deteriorated that what was considered standard operating procedure back in 2010 (60 votes to close debate on a bill and let it proceed) is seen as the "old fashioned" way to pass legislation now.

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51 votes, and as of November 2013, when the Democratic majority changed the cloture rule (see: nuclear option) with regard to judicial nominees, this became the only probable outcome of the future of parliamentary rules for all debate.

The filibuster is dead.
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60-60 15 Dec 2017 12:04 #259187

In the past, when politicians were smarter and not watching propaganda all the time, the filibuster was understood to be beneficial to both parties at any given time. Obviously, the filibuster is handy for the minority party, as a last-ditch way to stop something extreme from happening. But the filibuster was also great for the moderate members of the majority party, who might otherwise be held accountable by their swing state voters for doing something extreme.
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60-60 15 Dec 2017 16:52 #259194

I thought that the 60-vote rule was still in effect, and that the 50-vote rule (Reconciliation) applied if a bill affected government finances, and either lowered government expenses or raised it by less than a relatively small amount over the course of the law (relatively small being $1.2 trillion dollars), The Senatorial Parlimentarian (some lawyer type) weighs in on whether or not a bill is voted on under the 50-vote rule or the 60-vote rule.

That's been what's going on with the last failed healthcare bill and the current tax bill - the Republicans in the Senate had to gyrate to keep this out of 60-vote territory.
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