Ghiblapalooza Episode 10 - Spirited Away

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09 Sep 2018 16:07 #281349 by repoman

"Play with me or I'll break your arm."

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09 Sep 2018 18:53 #281350 by Gary Sax
What a fucking masterpiece this is. By far my favorite Ghibli.

I think it's more coherent, with a less surreal narrative, than Alice. Which makes it stronger than that work.
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09 Sep 2018 20:47 #281359 by mc
Someone else will know more than me, but from memory, the "spiriting away" is related very closely to shinto beliefs about how the spirit world interacts with people. Essentially, at the end, Chihiro will have no memory of anything that's happened to her. However, she will have been changed by the experience. When she's looking back through the tunnel, that's the her memory disappearing. But she's feeling better about the move and has learnt a lot even if she doesn't remember.

My favourite bit in this one is the train journey out to the Yubaba's sister. There's something really terrific about it - again, that feeling of a kid being on their own and uncertain in an adult world. Compared to all of the disorientating stuff she's faced up to that point, it seems mundane, but it's like this huge thing that she's doing, catching the train. It's like a next step up from the kids waiting for their dad in Totoro to me somehow. (There's probably a whole film studies thesis in there about the representation of timetabled transport vs the freedom of the skies in Miyazaki films but I digress). And then she meets the sister and starst to learn (once again), how complicated all those relationships are.

Great stuff. Thanks again for doing these!
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09 Sep 2018 21:26 #281363 by repoman
One thing I did notice and think about but didn't really mention in the blog is how mind blowing the animation of Chihiro is. The way she moves and runs. It was so realistic that I'd almost think it was rotoscoped. I know it's not but if you watch it again soon pay attention to the sequence where she's running down the stairs being chased by Faceless and also the sequence near the end when she runs across a grassy field, the strange but authentic way she holds her arms as she runs.

That is one way Ghibli just outclasses Disney. Disney drawn animation has a weird halting aspect to it. You never forget your watching a cartoon with Disney.

I wonder how many hours those Ghibli artists put in doing motion studies.
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10 Sep 2018 13:36 - 10 Sep 2018 13:37 #281388 by Black Barney
yeah the animation is a total labour of love here. The way she taps her feet into her shoes to make them hit the ends is a total rip from his own granddaughter. That kind of care going into it just can't be copied at all. He puts everything into these films. I would love to be a fly on the wall as he explains this to his animators.

By far my favourite film as well. It's terrifying and mesmerizing. I love everything about it. I love how the train trip with NoFace just slowly puts me to sleep too. It's one of the most calming sequences and musical scores I've ever seen in an animated film. (...I just realized I wrote this without seeing mc's post above. That's cool that this very nothing scene stands out to both of us). Also do those dumplings that the parents pigs out on look delicious or what??!

I didn't even realize this was a land of fairies. I thought it was just all spirits.
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10 Sep 2018 14:43 #281395 by waddball
Thanks so much for all these Ghiblapalooza posts. Very nostalgic. I unwisely took my daughter to see Spirited Away when she was too young for it. I just didn't do the research and figured it was more like Totoro and less like Mononoke, and...wow, she was terrified. I still get grief for that (she's in college now).

But yeah, this is a really well-done film top to bottom. All of them are great in their own way, though I do find--as with anime--that there are some plot disconnects and character reactions (sudden joy or rage, etc. where they don't fit) that leave me scratching my head. I assume cultural differences/assumptions.

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10 Sep 2018 23:17 - 11 Sep 2018 18:47 #281422 by Frohike
Spirited Away is probably my favorite of Miyazaki's films. Everyone's already described what makes so many elements of this film work so well.

I see it as the most balanced of Miyazaki's recurring motif of a kid thrown into nearly overwhelming situations and left to find their own footing in whatever way they can.

In the world of Disney, these kids would be blessed by destiny, some innate power, or some other Mary Sue (though I think the term is now mostly abused by #gamergate morons) premise that gives them some innate advantage.

Not so in Miyazaki films. The kids go through an often rough acclimation period, are presented with strange rules & restrictions to follow, employment contracts or agreements, and areas of social ambiguity that they are expected to navigate correctly... and they often don't. The kids are fallible, scared, make poor choices or stumble into them, and pine for solace with parents who are usually busy with their own problems (illness, pissing off gods, single parenthood + employment, etc). They don't often find some secret formula to get out of their situation, but do find their way through their wonderland maze with empathy, a developing work ethic, and the ability to observe & pick up on details that adults would normally tune out. Their armor that gets them through the gauntlet is mostly a confused resistance to dogma, be it unintentional through unfamiliarity, their willful idiosyncratic interpretation of it, or empathy punching its way through the layers of confusion & fog.

I think Spirited Away is unique in the way that it injects quasi-insane or magical kid logic into almost every part of this process with god/fairie rules that feel as nostalgic as they are unnerving e.g. holding your breath on a bridge, lugging a small piece of coal that seemingly weighs 50 lbs., forgetting your "real" name in favor of your assigned one (something familiar to those who go almost exclusively by their nickname), forcing a giant dragon dog to take his medicine, etc. While it takes the child actors and places them into situations that emulate the disorientation of coming of age, it also throws adult viewers into the blender with an uncanny Shinto setting mixed with nostalgia.

These themes & dynamics hold a special place in our home. The kids started watching these in their early years but I think some of these films where parents leave the picture and return have become more poignant for us after my wife's breast cancer survival a few years ago. Both kids have been transformed in the process and I think they often see a lot of themselves in these films.

My son recently chose to include Hisaishi's "One Summer's Day" in his piano reportoire & hearing him play the first few notes immediately makes me cry. He'd been working on the piece surreptitiously for awhile, and I would overhear snippets occasionally & figured he was just noodling around with it in the same way he does with Skyrim music or whatever. But on Father's Day this year, he suddenly started playing the entire thing while I was hanging out in the living room and I just sat down and made a point of framing this moment in my memory. He knew the significance of what he was doing, and I thanked him for it when he was finished playing.

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11 Sep 2018 02:47 #281425 by mc
Thanks Frohike. That is bloody awesome and you are spot on about so much of it.
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