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Play Matt: Undaunted: Reinforcements Review
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It’s not normal to find an expansion box that dwarfs the original like Undaunted: Reinforcements does. But like everything in the superb Undaunted series of tactical military deck-builders from Osprey Games, there’s method in the madness. The expansion box will fit in everything from the first two games in the series, Undaunted: Normandy and Undaunted: North Africa. It’s also easier to access them, with terrain tiles flipped to one side and new dividers to divvy up the contents of the two games.
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And maybe the hype didn't help it in my eyes either. I expected a lot going in (I remember it being termed a "Memoir 44 killer" which it certainly is not) and so my bar was kinda high.
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I also agree with the Mayor. The WWII theme is suuuuuper yuck. I’m not crazy about the art, which is oddly inconsistent across the product (the style of the cards/counters doesn’t match the tiles/typography). Setup is a PITA.
But I love it- the mechanics are great. I like the D10 roll. I like everything about the way it plays. The scenarios are good. The rules are clean and smooth.
But WWII…vomit. I’m done with WWII gaming and in fact this is the only WWII game I own now. It’s non-specific enough to just barely skirt by.
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Why not introduce some differences - down the line, this would open up the system to nationality specific expansions with differentiation for each nation. I am not sure if the North Africa or Reinforcements added this or not. There were other issues I had ( overpowered Scouts for instance ) but this was the biggest one and regardless of whether its WWII, Napoleanics, or Terrinoth, this sort of thing was some low hanging design fruit that was missed IMO.
I get that I wasn't the targer audience .
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I'm with the crowd on this one. The WWII stuff just isn't interesting to me anymore, no matter how solid the gameplay.
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WWII fetishism is a lingering turd clinging to the ass of Boomer America. Younger generations have inherited this turd from aging and now elderly gamers. It’s time to cut it loose and move on. Virtually all of the really interesting, compelling, and successful war games of the past decade + have either NOT been about WWI or about some underexplored niche subtopic.
My tastes as you all know run hot and cold and I’m always moving on to something either new or that I want to reassess…but like Lovecraft, WWII is on my “never again” list. I allow for exceptional games, and I think this is one despite the subject matter.
I mean FFS they do 2000AD games. This could totally be a Block War game. Or Rogue Trooper. Fucking anything but WWII.
Besides, it’s time for all the Boomer Rommel stans to just admit they love playing as Nazis and they love Nazi stuff.
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fightcitymayor wrote: I feel torn about the Undaunted series. It's clearly one of those "war-themed" games (rather than an actual wargame) so if you view it through that lens & play it like a deckbuilder then you might get by. Otherwise the goofy d10 die rolls are super-swingy, the art is all pastoral watercolors on the level of a childrens picturebook, and the setup time is more than I like for such a basic game. I might have enjoyed it more minus the WW2 theme, which feels weird and doesn't come through 100% for me. Have not played the expansions though, maybe they help.
And maybe the hype didn't help it in my eyes either. I expected a lot going in (I remember it being termed a "Memoir 44 killer" which it certainly is not) and so my bar was kinda high.
Everyone likes their own thing, of course, but I really don't see much of this. Sure it's not a "wargame" as such but the way the deck mimics things like suppression and command confusion make it feel more realistic than, say, something like M44 (which takes as long, if not longer, to set up). It feels like a good halfway house to me, between light war-themed titles and more serious consims, but totally with the rules weight of the former.
I do get the art. I felt that way for a while but it's grown on me, maybe just because I like the game.
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Michael Barnes wrote: Not really. Maybe a touch just because no Nazis. But same conflict. I’m not interested in games about real world conflicts right now at all regardless of theater or time period TBH.
I genuinely struggle with why I can't put my interest in WW2 away, despite all the horrors of conflict and Nazism. But I can't. Sorry. It makes me feel like a bad person. I've spent very many long hours trying to reconcile my thoughts on this, and the closest I've come is summed up by this quote from Dispatches:
One day a letter came from a British publisher asking him to do a book whose working title would be "Through the War" and whose purpose would be to once and for all "take the glamour out of war". Page couldn't get over it.
"Take the glamour out of war! I mean, how the bloody hell can you do that? Go and take the glamour out of a Huey, go take the glamour out of a Sheridan...Can you take the glamour out of a Cobra, or getting stoned at China Beach? It's like taking the glamour out of an M-79, taking the glamour out of Flynn." He pointed to a picture he'd taken, Flynn laughing maniacally ("We're winning," he'd said), triumphantly. "Nothing the matter with that boy, is there? Would you let your daughter marry that man? Ohhhh, war is good for you, you can't take the glamour out of that. It's like trying to take the glamour out of sex, trying to take the glamour out of the Rolling Stones." He was really speechless, working his hands up and down to emphasize the sheer insanity of it.
"I mean, you know that it just can't be done!" We both shrugged and laughed, and Page looked very thoughtful for a moment. "The very idea!" he said. "Ohhh, what a laugh! Take the bloody glamour out of bloody war!”
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I'm always interested in whether or not hex-&-counter wargaming (of the "serious" kind) survives the decade. In some ways it does seem like a relic of a bygone boardgaming age (in blissful lockstep with the boomer romanticization of WW2 in general) but there are still an ocean of wargame publishers out there surviving on what has to be an increasingly niche audience.Michael Barnes wrote: WWII fetishism is a lingering turd clinging to the ass of Boomer America. Younger generations have inherited this turd from aging and now elderly gamers. It’s time to cut it loose and move on.
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My brother and I played a lot of the first two during the height of covid. The theme is great for a couple of history buffs like us, and the mechanics are fantastic. New mechanics applied to a tried and true theme can be a real breath of fresh air.
I don't have any problem setting games in real world history, I find it much more engaging than some generic magic realm.
It's one of the best uses of the deck building mechanic I've seen in a game.
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The other thing that has happened is that with better research materials a lot of older games have been revealed to be much less accurate in terms of history than originally thought. So new designs using these materials are coming out .
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