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Tunnels and Trolls 7.5
Anyway, today at the store I saw this little box for T&T ver7.5. It looks like it contains three books, two adventures, a map, and a bunch of counters all for about $35. After getting a Buck Rogers set from Mr. Daly a few weeks back, I've been kind of nostalgic for old-school box set rpgs. I understand they don't make 'em anymore and it's all multiple hardbound books at a steep price.
I never played T&T back in the day, but remember seeing it on the shelf. There doesn't look to be a lot of net presence either, but I did find one good site with a lot of free adventures. They look to all be dungeon crawling fun.
I'm really thinking about picking this up. Anyone have any experience with the game or know anything about it?
(I'm also a sucker for the crude 70's /80's style art on the cover)
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- Shitloads of solitaire adventures - this was actually how I played about 90% of the time. These adventures varied greatly in seriousness (generally there's a tongue-in-cheek feel), deadliness, type of storytelling (plot vs. monster-bashing)...Some of the more popular and famous solos were written by Ken St. Andre and Michael Stackpole, who were notorious for writing insanely deadly but potentially uber-super-duper-munchkinizing adventures. I recall quite a few paragraphs commanding the reader to "close the book" if a roll was failed, i.e. death.
- Shitloads of D6s. Battles are settled by rolling Dice + Adds and subtracting the lesser total from the greater. The difference is the damage dealt to the guy with the lower total. Monsters generally had a "MR" (Monster rating) which determined Dice+Adds and hit points. A monster with MR 34 rolled 4 dice (34/10+1) + 17 (34/2) and had 20 HP. But that's a fairly wimpy monster. The tougher baddies have MR of 100 or 200 or more (MR 200=21 dice + 100). It's also not unheard of for a player to roll quite a few dice, too. I think the greatest weapon I've seen was a 66-dice "bronze bodkin" that you could win as a prize in one of the solos.
- Simple and flexible rules. The rules are pretty basic, and it's not uncommon for the GM or author to invent ad-hoc rules for handling all kinds of situations. For example a GM might say an archer is firing at you, so make a level 3 saving roll on the average of your luck and dex, and take the difference in damage if you fail - there was no hard rule for being shot at, so you just kind of made up what you felt made sense. There was no monster manual or bestiary of any sort, so you'd make up monsters on the fly and slap them with Monster Ratings, and maybe special rules for spice. The game was great for improvisational play. I would sometimes GM games using Catalyst books ( www.flyingbuffalo.com/catalyst.htm ). Citybooks were great for wandering around in cities and checking out interesting stores and cityfolk. Grimtooth's Traps lets you kill off dungeon delvers in ridiculously hilarious ways. Flying Buffalo put out a lot of material for bunch of helpful dice for generating random dungeon corridors, treasures, and such.
- Characters advance to ridiculous levels. At first glance, character creation seems like typical D&D stuff: str, dex, con, chr, int, luck, roll 3d6 for each...But then you know something is up when you read that dwarves start with double strength, or elves start with double intelligence. It's not unheard of to beef your stats up into the hundreds. Adventures are often designed for characters within a certain range of adds. (Your adds are something like Luck-10 + Str-10 + Dex-10)...Adds could vary quite a bit from character to character - a newbie might have 5, and a veteran might have 150.
- Goofy spell names. The Magic Missile type of spell is called Take That You Fiend, to hypnotize someone you cast Yassa Massa, and Poor Baby is for healing.
Well I've got to wrap this up...I'd definitely recommend T&T if you can gather the right group. It's a game that's what you make of it. While solo adventures were a big part of the game for me and my buddies, they are quite time-consuming and probably difficult to find these days.
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eposic.org/reviews/tnt75-davour.php
wargamedork.blogspot.com/2008/09/tunnels...oxing-and-first.html
I haven't played this game in at least 15 years, but now I'm all of a sudden giddy at checking it out again, and maybe even getting it up on the table.
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I hope you're enjoying Buck Rogers. I found another sweet box set to replace it, it's called "The Price of Freedom" and was put out by West End Games. I haven't gotten to play any yet, but reading through it I like it a lot- simple rules that are really well done. The game is set during a soviet occupation of the United States and while it is an rpg it has a healthy dose of wargame thrown in there too. Here's the review I found that got me to track down a copy:
boredgamegeeks.blogspot.com/2006/08/game...al-theres-never.html
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It would have been way cooler to play back when I was in high school. At the time I was living in the then West Germany during the height of the Cold War. We ended up playing Twilight 2000, but this would've been a lot more fitting.
The retro games I'm currently looking at are all in one deals like the buck rogers set. They include maps, tokens/chits/standees, rules, etc. T&T7.5 looks to be a match as does the original Star Frontiers box set. All three systems look really light, so they might be fun a few years from now when my son is older. He seems to cling to soccer and basketballs right now, so he may not even be a gamer. Who knows...they're still fun to read.
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Will do! My set should be arriving today, and I'll have gamers over on Black Friday or the day after (I call it Evil Saturday). I might have time to try out a solo or two before then.
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Sure, T&T is where Stackpole got his start.I personally never played Tunnels and Trolls, but I remember seeing it in the stores next to D&D. Michael Stackpole wrote adventures for T&T? No way...
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His solo adventure - and first book published - City of Terrors is pretty awesome.
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I really feel old now
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web.ukonline.co.uk/angora/index.html
I've been seeing various magazines pop up for T&T. It looks like there's been 3-4 different ones, some on the above site, some at Amazon, etc.
Anyone know anything about the history of the mags, and which one is still being published?
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The Hobbit Hole is the current mag. It's bimonthly, looks well produced, though I haven't actually seen one in person. It's published by Outlaw Press, who are still putting out quite a bit of T&T stuff. They're practically the official publisher these days...It's awesome to see T&T still alive and kicking, but on the other hand, It's a shame they're running on geocities
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