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Bearing in mind I am limited to the PC, which game should I start with? The first Dark Souls game? Demon Souls? Something else? I don't know much about these games. I don't even know what the difference is between Dark Souls and Demon Souls.
Give me opinions.
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I think you should definitely skip the first one which will seem dated, but yeah I guess you should start with the second one. It's supposed to be the best one with part III VERY close behind
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Not DEMON'S SOULS (or as my friend and I call it, "The Souls That Belong to Exactly One Demon"). The server-side stuff there must be discontinued by now, or de facto dead. You'd be eaten by sharks or floating in an empty sea, basically.Disgustipater wrote: The Souls games have always kind of interested me, but as I am not the biggest fan of loot games, I've ultimately ignored them. But being a fan of difficult games, and after seeing footage of Salt & Sanctuary, I figured I'd finally give it a try.
Bearing in mind I am limited to the PC, which game should I start with? The first Dark Souls game? Demon Souls? Something else? I don't know much about these games. I don't even know what the difference is between Dark Souls and Demon Souls.
Give me opinions.
DARK SOULS 2 is great. It's a ZELDA game at its heart, like old-school TLOZ, but fancy graphics. You find stuff, you make it to the occasional save point, and all that. It's important to note that anything you CAN do is fair. Don't worry about cheesing the game by sneaking along that ledge or whatever. The game knows about the ledge and some dragon will knock you off it in about three steps anyway. Knock yourself out.
The multiplayer dynamic is totally fascinating. You'll be able to summon folks to your game to help against bosses and stuff, or sometimes folks are summoned to your game to beat your everlovin' ass. there are messages scrawled--sometimes helpful, sometimes not, and depending on how things go, the message author is rewarded for helping or tricking you. It's maddening and awesome.
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Souls is like this. The games are actually NOT hard. They ACT hard. Sure, if you come up on an unexpected boss and you are ill-prepared, they will one-shot you and you'll feel like the game is somehow impossible. But the next time, maybe you notice something about the environment it or you try something and you get off a hit first. Maybe you try some elemental damage or another buff to see if it works. By the fifth time you get to the boss, you might be shocked at how EASY it turned out to be. You just didn't know that it was.
Granted, the games are VERY demanding and they troll THE HELL out of players with controls, misdirection, lack of documentation, inscrutable item descriptions, places where you just flat out die...but you learn the entire time you are playing and things even out. That area that SCARED you? two hours later you are carving through it almost to a rhythm every time you pass by it.
The thing is, it is very old fashioned in many ways. Like Ninja Gaiden, the same things happen at the same places every time. And like that fucking bird that knocks you off right after the jump, you learn to anticipate it and the next time you are ready for what it throws at you.
So don't be put off by this "OMG SO HARD" cadence. They are challenging, no doubt. They will test your patience. But they are also among the most rewarding games I've ever played.
I haven't played DSII or III actually, I keep thinking about it...but I've still not beat Bloodborne, which I think is the best thing they've ever done. I will say that I would expect DSIII to be a fine entry point, the stories may be connected but they're cryptic and nonsensical anyway.
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Why do opinions have to be so varied?
Edit: Just to be clear, the mechanics of the difficulty of the games are a major selling point for me, so I'm all in on that front.
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The big beef I've heard with DS2, which I could see, is that the areas do not feel well or logically connected to one another. DS1 has a much better sense of place where you transition from area to area logically instead of 8 oddly connected big areas.
edit: or read this?
www.rockpapershotgun.com/2016/04/08/dark-souls-ii-best-game/
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Each new boss is a different challenge that becomes easier. Dark Souls 1 is cheap now so I recommend it and you can see if you like this kind of tuition.
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Eventually, I started to get my legs under me, and I got through. The nice thing was that as frustrating as all that repetition was, I actually came out the other side with quite a bit of stuff, which allowed me to make some major upgrades to my stats and gear, which helped a ton. Now I'm over the initial learning hump, and things feel much more reasonable. I'm sure I'll hit another wall, but I've got more options and skills to work with. I'm actually going to put the first game on the back burner on Monday so I can swap over to DS3, because I want to be in the initial wave of everyone learning what's up, and because I want the prettier graphics.
If you want to try them, I'd start with the first one. It's cheap, and a lot of folks like it best. Just remember that it's not a great PC port, so you'll need to do some light modding (it's called DSFix, and it's pretty easy to use), and I'll absolutely need a controller. One other thing is that it's very much not a loot game. There is loot, but it's not like Diablo where you're constantly getting new stuff. Instead, you're encouraged to find gear you like, and upgrade it as you go. I hear it's viable to find a basic longsword within the first hour, then use that through the entire rest of the game.
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Black Barney wrote: lol, I'm thinking of taking my first foray into the series as well, but with Dark Souls III. Why not start with the most recent? It's all about gameplay this stuff, it isn't Mass Effect or anything.
I think you should definitely skip the first one which will seem dated, but yeah I guess you should start with the second one. It's supposed to be the best one with part III VERY close behind
Jesus fucking christ. Whoever told you this was trolling you, the second Dark Souls had some shining moments wrapped up in a delicate sheet of dried turd. There were some design glitches in that game that make it hard to recommend over either Dark/Demon Souls I or Bloodborne.
If someone has a PS4, Bloodborne is the way to start. Otherwise the original Dark Souls or maybe 3 (Tuesday can't come soon enough!)
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Don't worry so much about the loot gathering aspect. Dark Souls is an action game first, stat shuffling character builder second and completionist loot gathering game a distant third. There are far more similarities with something like Zelda than a traditional RPG, to the extent that this is the best Zelda-like game since Ocarina of Time.
It may seem punishingly difficult at time, but learn it's ways and you'll soon be tearing through previously impossible areas like a fuckin' badass. Not because your stats are better, or your equipment higher level. But because you know the area, the patterns of the enemies, and the traps the game tosses at you. Veterans of the series will breeze through sections of the new game because they speak the language of the game. Newer players will have to go through that period of suffering broken controllers.
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