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This is part of a series of bloody matches to the death. Show support for your favorite game so it will do better in the fight. You can support it by writing why you think its the better game and more importantly by betting (i.e. voting for) it. Please make it clear for when I check the bets later. You have until Friday when I tally the bets and declare the winner. I will reserve my bet for any tie-breakers.
Although you should be familiar with both games, there is no rule that says you have to have played both of them. The only rule in Trashdome is this;
Two games enter! One game leaves!
Familydome! Ticket to Ride v TtR: Europe
I do think the 1912 Europa expansion's ticket options improve the Europe game for "gamers", but for family, I would always go for the basic Europe game. It looks fantastic, and the tunnels and ferry routes add some interesting choices/tension to the game that the original lacks.
I have every TTR map except for Maarklin, and Europe is my joint favourite with India.
So, for me...non gamers like the one they recognize better.
I haven't played the original since we got Europe if that's any indication.
Mad Dog wrote: Trashdome has imploded.
Well, come on back and start running this series again and you won't have rubes like me throwing these together.
For the rest, seems that most agree TtR is more casual so I think I'll leave that with the in-laws. They're _very_ casual. The wife and I play TtR quite a bit, so it'll be nice to play in Europe for awhile.
EDIT: Yeah, the geography is a big reason we play it with the kids. The thing is, when I drop the USA map, then we'll have EuroRails and TtR Europe at our house. Fun for me, I grew up there, but I'll probably need to get Empire Builder now or something for a good US map based game.
Tangent: What's that 90s eurogame where you travel the world looking for animals? Does it have city and country names on the map? Is it any good?
I do like that the US map a little more, just because I like how the routes out east are more congested and the ones in the west are more spread out. The Europe map leaves the big routes towards the outside of the board, and the congestion is in the middle. I also think the familiar geography is nice. It doesn't help that the Europe map uses the names in their original language, which removes a lot of potential familiarity.
That said, there are some tweaks that I like a lot more in Europe. I like the stations, which keep the middle of the board from getting completely locked up. It's a lot easier to win by pursuing a lot of short tickets, something that was basically impossible with the original board I think. So it's just a touch more balanced I think. I normally don't think that's a big deal, but with a casual game I feel it's a decent choice. Anyway they are able to accomplish it with a minimum of extra rules, which is admirable.
So yeah, TtR: Europe gets my vote.
We threw out the little cards in TtR and always used the 1910 cards. Plus, I like the 'Big Cities' option for two.
What variants in 1912 are worth it?
TtR: Europe clearly addressed that problem and made more work-around solutions with the map design. It's a more friendly map and more fun for everyone.
I really don't like either game very much but I think TtR: Europe accomplishes what both set out to do much better than regular TtR.
Vote: TtR: Europe
1910 is essential for the original. In fact I bought 1910 just for the cards so I'd have a set I could wear out. TTR cards get funky relatively quickly compared to a lot of other games.
The drama and tension of being able to make your ticket is what distinguishes TtR from so many other bland gaming experiences. The stations in Europe take that all away and make it more of a VP optimization game.
My favorite board is Nordic.
Nordic is fun for what it is but yeesh, talk about clunky exception rules.
"You have to use locomotives for these locomotive spaces. Except if you use three cards of any colour instead."
"Three cards of a colour, right."
"No, any three cards, whatever colour. And you can't use locomotives for regular tracks. And that one big line up there has it's own rules, I'll get the rule book..."
Then WTF are we voting for? How much we like the map? I think when a good share (most?) of folks on BGG talk about the two games, stations is a factor.
JEM wrote: Every time the stations come up it's like everyone who complains about them forgets that you don't have to play with them, and that you can also use them on any map if you want to. It's a total non-argument.