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So far I'm planning on getting the following:
Dark Knight Returns
Judge Dredd Case Files (might start with Case File 03 unless someone can convince me otherwise)
Something from Alan Moore - Leaning towards Swamp Thing or League of Extraordinary Gents
Doctor Strange - Might just do the Masters Works or The Oath.
I feel like this will give me a good mix of genres and not everything will be a superhero. So I guess I'll start there and then see where it takes me. Still you have provided me with so much awesome sounding stuff. I just created a big ass list to keep track of it all.
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Oh all right, I'll recommend a comic. Elektra: Assassin is a mini-series that just defies description. Frank Miller wrote it, Bill Sienkiewicz painted it, and I love every debauched panel of it. I don't do drugs or battle Satan-worshipping ninjas, but I feel like this is as close as I'll get to the real thing. Unreliable narrator, ridiculous character power creep, politics, SHIELD, kinda Wizard of Oz flying monkeys, bourbon, and my all-time favorite comic cover (the one with the cherubs)... it is a trip. It has an extremely satisfying conclusion and has aged pretty well despite the politics.
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* Animal Man - I want the Grant Morrison run. Is that the first three trades? Are those the essential ones?
* Swamp Thing - Is Alan Moore's run really that good? Which trades do I need here?
Also, importantly, I don't need any shelf toad comics. I found Astro City to be very re-readable. Are these others? I don't want to buy read-once-and-shelf titles.
Thanks again, Egg....
EDIT: How about those Swamp Thing movies? I think I remember seeing the first one...or maybe I just remember Adrienne Barbeau... Are they worth a visit for fun?
EDIT II: I just read there was also a TV show....wha?
Mr. White: This is coming from a guy that's only read Moore's Swamp Thing through volume 3, but all of the credit it's gotten has been earned. Really cool and interesting horror/supernatural stories, and I hate horror. I'm really looking forward to reading the rest of the series. BTW, thanks for the Astro City recommendation in this thread, I'm absolutely going to buy the new hardcover when it's released. I hope you're able to get really excited about reading comics again.
Egg: Welcome to the wonderful world of funny book! Seriously, I'm not sure if there's anything I enjoy more than relaxing with a good stack of comics. Having said that, all of the replies in this thread so far are coming from people that have read more than me and have been reading longer than me, but I would feel like I'm cheating myself if I don't try to put in my two cents in some way.
Obviously, Watchmen is probably the best place to start. You did good there.
Now that you've got maybe the most important comic out of your way, let me share my journey into comics. This is by no means the right or only way, but it was a good gradual immersion that might be of some service...
I started out with a lot of the famous trades and graphic novels (Watchmen, Dark Knight Returns, Batman Year One, Miller and Claremont's Wolverine, Daredevil: Born Again). This gave me a good taste of what the best of the best should be like and how my own tastes fit into it all. From there I started doing some research about what else is good and what else I might like.
Most comic fans will tell you there comes a time where you identify who you're favorite writers and artists are. From there, most people only follow that instead of characters, most of the time, if there's a writer you know you really like, it doesn't matter what character you like or do not like, you'll enjoy that story. I definitely believe that, but there's so many comic books out there, you can probably still find plenty of comics written by people you like with characters you're interested in.
Right now, I identify specific story lines I'm interested in reading and buy them in trades. It's a great way to collect. I'm not interested in collecting years and years of a series, I just want the best stuff from characters and writers that I love. There are plenty of really great lists on the internet for this. This is usually my go to list. goodcomics.comicbookresources.com/2012/1...ok-runs-master-list/
Also, there are lots of really good lists on the web of the best story lines of specific characters, so that's also a way to go if you want to use specific characters to guide your journey.
Of the list you shared in your original post, I'll just share what I think are good and important reads from my experience. These are good starting points imho.
Daredevil: The Bendis series is one of my all time favorites. You can buy the whole thing in 3 ultimate collection volumes. It's like a really good crime noir show with ninjas thrown in every now and then for good measure. I know Bendis is hated by most on this site, but he's one of my favorite writers. Born Again by Miller is also a favorite story line of mine, plus it's easy to get a hold of.
Hellboy: I've only read the first two trades, but it's super fun and original. I've been meaning to read the rest of the series for a while...
Batman: You mentioned you're planning on getting Dark Knight Returns. This is my favorite mini series thingy ever. I also suggest getting Year One in the same trip if you can. It's as good as DKR, just a little bit shorter.
Swamp Thing: As mentioned above, I'm half way through Alan Moore's run. I might end up liking it more than Watchmen. I remember you mentioning in some thread a while back that you're interested in the more weird and supernatural characters. This one would definitely be for you.
Bone: This series is in my top 5 of all time. Good for all ages but that doesn't make it any less intense and exciting. I've got the one volume black and white edition. I think the issues were originally published in black and white so you're not missing anything with the lack of color.
Captain America: Ed Brubaker's series starting with Winter Soldier. If you liked the last movie you would love this, as the tone of the movie is taken from this series. Spies and espionage with superheroes.
And as for your individual stories list...
Daredevil: Born Again: Getting this is crucial to your happiness
DC: New Frontiers: Actually haven't read this one yet but I have literally not heard a negative thing about it.
Marvels; Love it. Highly recommend
Kingdom Come: Even more highly recommended than Marvels. I used to hate Superman, and now I like him a lot, because of this book
Civil War: This is a good story line, I liked it a lot, but not crucial to your happiness
DKR: Already mentioned this, but seriously, Year One as well
Killing Joke: This is really good, but it's shortness bums me out
This was probably more than you were asking for, but like I said, I needed to put in my two cents. Keep us updated on what you're reading and how you like it!
Also let us know when you're ready to jump onto the Dungeons and Dragons wagon!
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I've put most of the suggestions that people made into a list to keep track of. I'm sure I've got about $500 worth of trades that I'm interested in reading at the moment! I'm trying not to bite off more than I can chew in the beginning. There is alot of stuff mentioned in this thread that I'm very eager to read though.
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If comics like Watchmen and Dark Knight Returns lose some of their appeal for audiences that didn't grow up in that time (and they do, the deconstruction makes less sense now) Astro City is the next logical step as it is definitely a post Watchmen style comic written with the goal of reconstructing the super hero for modern times... and it succeeds wildly. Jeff is right, Confession is brilliant. I would argue that the series has some of the best singles of all time. The Samaritan one off where he faces Infidel, the Barbie one off (seriously this is amazing), there should be a trade that is all specials on certain characters (I have them in singles)... the first four trades are all brilliant pretty much but there are several one off from afterwards that are mind blowing. Astro City is the true death of 90's dark angst-y comics and the opposite of what Zack Snyder does.
Swamp Thing is probably my favorite Moore run, the original series from before him was OK but not brilliant. Moore's run is incredible and if you've read Sandman it will change how you see that comic. Sandman feels like a sequel to Swamp Thing, that's how similar they are. League is great too (the art is much better than Swamp Thing IMO) but it's definitely more Post Modern in comparison.
Jack Coles' original Plastic Man run is incredible and Kyle Baker had a good run too in the mid 2000's.
Kirby's Demon is one of my favorites from that time period.
Anything with Seth Fisher as an artist is incredible to see from a purely visual perspective. He never got the greatest stories but his comics all look amazing. (Big in Japan, Will World...) One of the last truly innovative artists in a purely visual sense.
Hellboy is a fun comic and a big part of it is Mignola's incredible visual sense.
Grant Morrison is fun but it's hard to recommend his stuff until you're read a bunch of other things. I liked Invisibles the best but this site is more enamored with Animal Man and probably Doom Patrol.. it doesn't matter too much what you go for as they have very similar themes (he doesn't have many themes to be honest).
I loved Planetary and think it's the best thing Warren Ellis has ever done although Transmetropolitan is still an interesting read with lots of great stuff... it's not a super hero book though.
Mark Miller is a bit of a joke most of the time but Red Son was a really fun comic and it's a quick one off trade so it's very digestible.
For Daredevil I prefer Miller's earliest work on the series (Not born again or Man Without Fear). His later stuff is still fun but he was really just a kid in the first collection of stories and it's interesting (for me at least) to see him slowly becoming the Miller we know.
My favorite non-super hero stuff is definitely Cerebus and most of Chris Wares work. I like Sin City a lot too but that is a purely visual thing for me. Most of Clowes work is interesting (I like David Boring a lot) and it's never a bad idea to read some Will Eisner.
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Two of my favorites have already been mentioned: Moore's Swamp Thing and Miller's Daredevil, so I'll just throw in my vote on those as well. Astro City is also a great title.
The comic I'll recommend was another one of my favorites back in the day that I still remember fondly, but no one ever seems to talk about: Grendel, by Matt Wagner. There are three (or 3.5) distinct eras for the Grendel stories, each with a wildly different context, art style, and characters. The stories are epics that lasted a lot longer than most story arcs, which may account for why they didn't catch on (since it was hard to jump in the middle), but makes them perfect for reading in collected editions.
There's an excellent mini crossover book with Batman (the first one, NOT the second one). Try that one first, and if you like the storytelling style you can dive into the rest.
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Instead, I would recommend the first Mage series. The first couple of issues are a big rough around the edges, but it's a great story.
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JonJacob wrote: On Superhero comics
If comics like Watchmen and Dark Knight Returns lose some of their appeal for audiences that didn't grow up in that time (and they do, the deconstruction makes less sense now) Astro City is the next logical step as it is definitely a post Watchmen style comic written with the goal of reconstructing the super hero for modern times... and it succeeds wildly. Jeff is right, Confession is brilliant. I would argue that the series has some of the best singles of all time. The Samaritan one off where he faces Infidel, the Barbie one off (seriously this is amazing), there should be a trade that is all specials on certain characters (I have them in singles)... the first four trades are all brilliant pretty much but there are several one off from afterwards that are mind blowing. Astro City is the true death of 90's dark angst-y comics and the opposite of what Zack Snyder does.
It's been a few minutes for me now...was Tarnished Angel one of the first four trades? I thought that tale was great as well. Also, I really dug the one about the villain who pulled of all his schemes, but since he was so good he was never caught...thus he ends up bored with no celebrity. At least I hope I'm remembering that one right.
I know Busiek did an Astro City minis series called 'Dark Age' which I believe takes on the dark'n'gritty era head on, but I was totally out of the comic scene by time that came out. I look forward to reading it. However, I feel he already said what needed to be said about that era simply on the strength of the reconstruction done in all his other tales. I'm not sure he needed to tackle the era so directly. We'll see...
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JonJacob wrote: On Superhero comics
If comics like Watchmen and Dark Knight Returns lose some of their appeal for audiences that didn't grow up in that time (and they do, the deconstruction makes less sense now) Astro City is the next logical step as it is definitely a post Watchmen style comic written with the goal of reconstructing the super hero for modern times... and it succeeds wildly. Jeff is right, Confession is brilliant. I would argue that the series has some of the best singles of all time. The Samaritan one off where he faces Infidel, the Barbie one off (seriously this is amazing), there should be a trade that is all specials on certain characters (I have them in singles)... the first four trades are all brilliant pretty much but there are several one off from afterwards that are mind blowing. Astro City is the true death of 90's dark angst-y comics and the opposite of what Zack Snyder does.
It's been a few minutes for me now...was Tarnished Angel one of the first four trades? I thought that tale was great as well. Also, I really dug the one about the villain who pulled of all his schemes, but since he was so good he was never caught...thus he ends up bored with no celebrity. At least I hope I'm remembering that one right.
I know Busiek did an Astro City minis series called 'Dark Age' which I believe takes on the dark'n'gritty era head on, but I was totally out of the comic scene by time that came out. I look forward to reading it. However, I feel he already said what needed to be said about that era simply on the strength of the reconstruction done in all his other tales. I'm not sure he needed to tackle the era so directly. We'll see...
Tarnished Angel is indeed TPB # 4. The short story your thinking of about the criminal who wants recognition is one of his best, it's in book 2 and it's called "Show 'em All". Incredible single issue.
Dark Age is all right but I think of it as a low point in the series.. still great fun and well done but lower quality than we're used to seeing in this series.
What I like about Astro City is that a single issue can sometimes feel like 8 trades in story. There is so much going on in the periphery that the stories feel much richer than their length allows. Like how in Tarnished Angel it's mostly about the Steel Jacketed Man but there is also a beautiful single in there about the Mock Turtle and his great origin story. That single Mock Turtle story tells something like 50 years of story in a single issue. Most writers would drag that out over 10 full books.
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