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I dont know what is worse...
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So when the folks at DC thought back in the early 2000s "let's do another Dark Knight with Miller", it really showed that you can't think about it that way and what's worse is that you can't engineer a phenomenon with all of the marketing in the world. And Miller turned in a completely half-assed, TERRIBLE book because he- as an artist- probably understands that you don't crank out a DKR to meet fan demand or the whims of DC's corporate or editorial leadership. Things just line up right, including where the audience is at that particular time.
Same thing with Watchmen. It should have been left preserved in amber, immortal in its moment. But no, "Before Watchmen"..."hur hur, I want to see what The Comedian was doing BEFORE the story...because I'm a nerd and I can't stop consuming media, feed me more".
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Miller is washed up and everyone hates him now. But I'm still on board despite it all. His last book "Holy Terror" was absolute shit BUT it was BY FAR the most experimental, expressive, individual and amazing comic to look at that whole year.
I loved DKSA (not as much as DKR but so what? There's very few comics I do). I really did. It was big, stupid, silly and completely over the top. But it looked great, Lynn Varley experimented with colours in some fascinating ways (she's always been my favourite part of Miller's work-and she's what makes 300 so fucking amazing). The look of a comic is at least half of what makes a comic great. It is a visual medium and when I think of Jack Kirby I rarely think of the writing. When I think of Neal Adams Batman run I can't even remember who wrote that shit and when I think of my favourite Flash Gordon comics I have no clue who wrote that shit.
I just remember this:
Who needs J.H. Williams or any of these fancy new hyper realist artists in comics when it's already been done. Miller is after something else with his art, I still love looking at it. I know everyone hates DKSA but when I think of it I think of moments where Frank and Lynn worked together to makes something new like this:
I get that everyone hates what he does. I don't. I admit the writing is shit but his art remains more interesting than a thousand shitty little pretentious art house comic makers who write like they've read too much Sartre. None of them, with the possible exception of Chris Ware, has ever done anything nearly as interesting as the art that Miller creates - even with his shit writing. Holly Terror was a critical disaster, a bomb, I bought it at 25% of the list price it did so poorly. Yet I remember pages from that because visually they say more than anything any of these arty farty writers can do with their mediocre writing (again, except Chris Ware). This is an average page, not even a top ten entry (the best being his fading faces representation of 911 that remains the best comment on that disaster I've seen in any medium at all), from his critical disaster - his worst book supposedly. You may not like it, but it's as distinctive and original as anything anyone is doing in comics and more instantly recognizable than anyone else working in popular comics today. He's still the best looking artist on the shelf.
That's Miller alone, here he is with Varley:
With all that said. I heard that he might not draw this instillment, that perhaps Jim Lee (the fucking idiot who draws nothing but hot women and muscle bound men) will. In which case count me out entirely. I may pick up a cover that he does himself but that is it.
Seen in a comic book store, Miller's work jumps out at you from a sea of samey looking artists who will never develop nearly as original a style. Never mind several different styles. This post alone shows that each book clearly has it's own aesthetic. I can't think of anyone doing that right now.
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Dark Knight Returns is in that same vein. Miller was saying a lot of things about the culture, many of which I don't agree with, but which I was glad to see stated, especially in such a gripping and dynamic way. It wasn't just "Old Man Yells at Cloud." It was "Old Man Yells at Clouds and Thunder and Lightning and then takes on both the chaos on the streets and the corruption that lets it happen (as he sees it.)" But it was a statement that really only needs to be made once. Doing it again is just trying to harvest dollars, which is the same problem DC has had for decades. They don't produce original stories about Batman and Superman and Wonder Woman because there really are no original stories to be said about archetypes. They just harvest dollars from trademarks. The good stuff comes from places like Vertigo that still have unusual or even innovative perspectives that don't depend on things that (to borrow a line) should have been preserved in amber a long time ago.
And why 53 different covers? Wasn't it supposed to be "the New 52"?
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Jackwraith wrote: And why 53 different covers? Wasn't it supposed to be "the New 52"?
Yeah, but this is one louder.
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