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Warhammer Quest: Cursed City

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20 Feb 2021 11:12 #319376 by themothman421
Though Games Workshop has been teasing the models in this game for the past few weeks, this morning they revealed the game itself:

ageofsigmar.com/cursed-city/

Warhammer Quest is a co-operative game that sees you and your friends take to the streets of the Cursed City to fight the hordes of the undead. If you’ve played a Warhammer Quest game before, you’ll recognise the rules, but the mechanics have been updated to be even more immersive and even more deadly.


From the pictures of the components I can see the resemblance to Silver Tower (didn't play Hammerhal, but maybe that too?). Aesthetically, I think it looks incredible. The models themselves look more Old World/Mordheim-y than anything else I've seen them do in the Age of Sigmar era.

Maybe with some luck I can get this thing painted by the time it's safe to play games with my friends again. A dungeon crawl like this would be a great way to return.
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20 Feb 2021 11:25 #319377 by Gary Sax
You know, I can be fairly blase about warhammer releases but this one looks really cool and the original Silver Tower seemed neat.

My god, sometimes I forget how far ahead they are in their miniatures. The hero models are INCREDIBLE. The Emelda Braskov model is low key one of the best miniature models I've ever seen in my entire life. This all plays into my own personal preferences, since I was a kid my favorite GW models have always been the lord or commander models that aren't like riding a dragon or twelve feet tall monsters with a twenty foot tall sword and almost all of these have that incredible flavor. I would always design these warhammer and other armies that just had a regular guy with a staff leading them, I always hated reading the white dwarf articles where every army had a dude with an invicible aura and HUGE MODEL. I've come to learn that the meta in warhammer has always been who can put together the most broken commander with the least troops.

I just wish I was a better painter, that really does push me away from these releases.
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20 Feb 2021 11:38 #319378 by themothman421

Gary Sax wrote: You know, I can be fairly blase about warhammer releases but this one looks really cool and the original Silver Tower seemed neat.

My god, sometimes I forget how far ahead they are in their miniatures. The hero models are INCREDIBLE. The Emelda Braskov model is low key one of the best miniature models I've ever seen in my entire life.


Right?! I am personally digging the two mage/wizard miniatures, Cleona and Octren. If you go look at the preview article on their Warhammer Community page, you can see even the objective markers are cool: birds on tombstones holding a key, a hangman skeleton pointing at something lol - just amazing.

Gary Sax wrote: I just wish I was a better painter, that really does push me away from these releases.


I'm with you there, but I've come to terms with my own painting abilities and now I just shoot for "make it colorful and readable from arms' length." Those Contrast paints from GW do a lot of work for stuff like this.
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20 Feb 2021 16:07 #319394 by jason10mm
Im very curious how distinguishable these minis are unpainted. They all have somewhat similar silhouettes, mostly a long pointy thing over their heads. Painted they look amazing but i fear the game will be a hard to read mess out of the box.

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20 Feb 2021 22:25 #319405 by Shellhead
Everybody else was looking at the figures, but I noticed the dice. It looks like this Warhammer Quest will not be compatible with Silver Tower or Hammerhal, because it uses different dice. Might be that this Warhammer Quest is using the similar but different combat system from Blackstone Fortress.

The lack of undead in Silver Tower and Hammerhal seemed deliberate, so I have been expecting something like this Cursed City for years now. But the idea of a city crawl instead of a dungeon crawl is an interesting change. Hope I can pick up a stripped (no minis) copy, because I will never have the time or skill to do justice to these minis, and I have already spent a little too much on games lately.
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20 Feb 2021 22:28 #319406 by Gary Sax
You probably will. This box looks like a no brainer purchase if you collect undead.

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21 Feb 2021 10:04 - 21 Feb 2021 10:05 #319412 by hotseatgames
That game looks sick, but they always do, don’t they? I suspect if I walked by it on the shelf I would have trouble resisting.

Luckily I haven’t been in a game store in... no idea. :/
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21 Feb 2021 11:06 #319413 by Shellhead
Looking more closely at the previews, the character cards still have the four boxes for the d6s. So hopefully the existing Warhammer Quest characters are compatible with this set and maybe just the monsters use the new dice. Blackstone Fortress really was an improvement over Warhammer Quest, so I hope they use the expanded random action tables for the monsters, along with the individual initiative cards.

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21 Feb 2021 12:20 #319415 by fightcitymayor
I get tempted by these GW boxed products, then I look at how GW treated expansions for Blackstone Fortress & how quickly they went out-of-print (with resulting 100% markup on secondary markets) and I just can't support that sort of predatory bullshit. If I wanted the "buy it now or never again!" marketing approach I would be a CMON fan.
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21 Feb 2021 13:11 #319417 by themothman421

fightcitymayor wrote: I get tempted by these GW boxed products, then I look at how GW treated expansions for Blackstone Fortress & how quickly they went out-of-print (with resulting 100% markup on secondary markets) and I just can't support that sort of predatory bullshit. If I wanted the "buy it now or never again!" marketing approach I would be a CMON fan.


Yeah, it'd be nice if they kept it self-contained like they did with Silver Tower and Hammerhal, but I'm not holding my breath.

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22 Feb 2021 04:06 #319436 by Matt Thrower

Gary Sax wrote: My god, sometimes I forget how far ahead they are in their miniatures. The hero models are INCREDIBLE. The Emelda Braskov model is low key one of the best miniature models I've ever seen in my entire life. This all plays into my own personal preferences, since I was a kid my favorite GW models have always been the lord or commander models that aren't like riding a dragon or twelve feet tall monsters with a twenty foot tall sword and almost all of these have that incredible flavor. I would always design these warhammer and other armies that just had a regular guy with a staff leading them, I always hated reading the white dwarf articles where every army had a dude with an invicible aura and HUGE MODEL. I've come to learn that the meta in warhammer has always been who can put together the most broken commander with the least troops.


So much all of this. I absolutely love the human-scale character models in this set, they're astonishing. I'm currently building a Free Cities warband for Warcry and they'd make superb additions. Makes me hope they might be planning some new basic human boxes to support the Free Cities arriving in Age of Sigmar at the end of last year. I've never played AoS but a regular human army might just tempt me.

There are, of course, sops to the big monster fans who make up a lot of the GW audience with a big Ogre hero and a Vargulf. But you can't have everything.

A couple of things I'm not so keen on. First, I'm a bit iffy on models that come sculpted with a lot of scenery like the Blood Born. Columns should not be moving around the board. Second, I'm unsure about the Zombies. They're great sculpts, but having every one bowed under the weight of its gravestone feels like a bit of a gimmick.

Surprised there are not some nighthaunts in the box. I love nighthaunts.
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22 Feb 2021 08:04 #319437 by panzerattack
The Blackstone Fortress expansions only became hard to find once GW announced they were going out of print. For a year or more they were easily accessible. I don't think it was predatory practices by GW, it was just fear of missing out kicking in for people once the end was in sight for the expansions.

Cursed City looks amazing, a definite buy for me.
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22 Feb 2021 09:19 #319438 by fightcitymayor

panzerattack wrote: The Blackstone Fortress expansions only became hard to find once GW announced they were going out of print.

Exactly, the preying-on-FOMO "buy it now or never again!" which is inherently predatory, and especially obnoxious for what is essentially a boardgame product meant to be explored gradually, with expansions available when you've sufficiently explored the base game.

panzerattack wrote: For a year or more they were easily accessible.

The Escalation expansion was Q4 2019, and by mid-2020 it was out-of-stock in most places.

And speaking of Escalation, GW compounded their obnoxiousness by making later expansions (Deadly Alliance, Cultists) require earlier expansions (Escalation) to even use.

And that's not even getting into the card packs, which were stupidly overpriced (which we all sadly expect with GW) to begin with, then went out-of-print just as fast as the Hero Cards for Silver Tower did back in the day.

If GW wants to short-print/single-print some corner-case 40k unit then whatever, the tabletop players can adjust their meta or whatever. But to create a self-contained boardgame product, then refuse to actively make their own expansion content available for more than 9-to-12 months, that's just a shitty way to do business, and I will quote the great statesman & timeless orator himself...

“There's an old saying in Tennessee — I know it's in Texas, probably in Tennessee — that says, fool me once, shame on — shame on you. Fool me — you can't get fooled again.”
- George Dubya Bush
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22 Feb 2021 12:29 #319457 by themothman421
It is nice to see that they are including a Warscrolls booklet in the base game, rather than have to download or go buy a White Dwarf issue to get them. If that booklet also included Warcry warband rules...oh boy. At least I can add some of these heroes to my Cities of Sigmar army.

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22 Feb 2021 12:30 #319458 by panzerattack
Classic quote!

I liked the fact that later expansions required you to have earlier expansions. It gave a good sense of progression and helped develop the narrative. Admittedly, I'd have liked it less if I didn't have Escalation.

I still think the scarcity was more to do with scalpers and fomo though. GW has such a big turn over of product, they can't afford to have expansions for specialist games endlessly clogging up shelf space. None of those expansions flew off the shelves. I didn't rush out to get them but still easily picked them up months and months after release. It was only when GW announced they weren't making any more that they started disappearing (and it seems that that's obviously because the production turned to Cursed City).

The Blackstone Fortress facebook page still has posts regularly popping up of people taking photos of the multiple packs of Dreaded Ambull they've managed to find squirreled away in a games shop somewhere.

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