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TOPIC: What TV SHOWS are you watching?

What TV SHOWS are you watching? 16 May 2018 08:28 #273407

Gregarius wrote:
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Season five was notoriously slow, and more about their relationship than anything else.

And I'm OK with that except... we've done this bit already, multiple times. Every season has one or the other of them getting jealous about the esoteric parts of a job THAT THEY'VE BEEN DOING FOR TWENTY YEARS. Shouldn't they be past the jealousy part, already? For that matter, midway through season 5, we have Philip getting uneasy about the job again. This is the same thing he was complaining about in the VERY FIRST EPISODE of the series. After 4.5 seasons, you're telling me that they can't come up with some new themes? By far the most interesting sequence in the entire series is (spoilers)

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I don't think they're *returning* to the theme of Philip questioning his job, I think it's still unresolved. Unlike most TV dramas, real, life-changing decisions don't get made over the course of a week so that people can move on. It's an internal conflict that will probably never properly resolve for him. He's good at it, but he hates it. He wants to quit, but doesn't want to give up all the things it has given him. That inner turmoil influences every action he takes, every interaction with other people, even his own family. I find it fascinating and well-imagined.

I've watched every season so far on Amazon, but I didn't realize I could get currently airing episodes on there. I'll have to look into that.

Was going to reply with much of this.

Some of this does come to a head in season 6.
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What TV SHOWS are you watching? 17 May 2018 12:42 #273495

I started to watch The Expanse while working in my shop, so I have to admit I'm not following it as carefully as I could, but I'm lukewarm. I'm part way into the second season and it's... fine? Sort of fun but a bit shallow?

It's entertaining enough to keep watching but I've been hearing praise for it as "the smartest science fiction to appear in a long time" (to quote Patton Oswalt) but I'm just not seeing it. What is the show even about thematically? It seems like a pretty clear retread of Game of Thrones. Multiple stories of human political conflict all of which are a distraction from the real magical enemy (I have not watched the last few years of Game of Thrones). Apart from the pulpy thrill of "what comes next" is there more to it? Does it improve over the second and third seasons?

Again, I'm not disliking it but am trying to understand the praise it has received. Is science fiction on tv so bad that the show stands out this much? Have I just fallen out of love for sci-fi storytelling?
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What TV SHOWS are you watching? 17 May 2018 12:46 #273497

I think you nailed The Expanse. I like it and continue to watch it but the show has no charisma and I'm not surprised its been canceled.
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What TV SHOWS are you watching? 17 May 2018 14:06 #273504

Count Orlok wrote:
I started to watch The Expanse while working in my shop, so I have to admit I'm not following it as carefully as I could, but I'm lukewarm. I'm part way into the second season and it's... fine? Sort of fun but a bit shallow?

It's entertaining enough to keep watching but I've been hearing praise for it as "the smartest science fiction to appear in a long time" (to quote Patton Oswalt) but I'm just not seeing it. What is the show even about thematically? It seems like a pretty clear retread of Game of Thrones. Multiple stories of human political conflict all of which are a distraction from the real magical enemy (I have not watched the last few years of Game of Thrones). Apart from the pulpy thrill of "what comes next" is there more to it? Does it improve over the second and third seasons?

Again, I'm not disliking it but am trying to understand the praise it has received. Is science fiction on tv so bad that the show stands out this much? Have I just fallen out of love for sci-fi storytelling?

Great post. I agree that The Expanse would like to be A Game of Thrones, but only one of the stories really matters, the one with all the action. The rest is just context. If Game of Thrones only had action when Jon Snow was on screen, it would be more like The Expanse. The first season of The Expanse was okay, but after two episodes of the second season, it didn't seem to be getting any better, so I gave up. The Expanse isn't a bad show, and the science-fiction seems realistic enough though not particularly imaginative or original. It's just that I only have so much time for tv watching, and "not bad" isn't good enough.
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What TV SHOWS are you watching? 17 May 2018 14:14 #273505

I really like The Expanse, but I totally get why people would be lukewarm on it.
I think the reason it gets praise as the "best sf show" is simply because they make an effort to use real-world physics and science.
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What TV SHOWS are you watching? 17 May 2018 14:40 #273511

I plan to keep watching it for the time being, but I am a little disappointed. I was so into the Battlestar Galactica remake when it was first on and I really wanted that rush again.

I did finally figure out what The Expanse reminded me the most of: an RPG campaign. The emphasis on setting and plot hooks really make me think of all the time I used to spend fantasizing about the grand narratives I would take a group through as a GM.
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What TV SHOWS are you watching? 17 May 2018 16:47 #273534

Jackwraith wrote:
Perhaps it's just the deep cover KGB agent's way of bitching about one's job but never actually doing anything to solve the conflict that they're bitching about.

That sort of sounds like every job, ever. Especially academics.

But season six RIPS OFF THE BAND-AID BABY!
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What TV SHOWS are you watching? 18 May 2018 04:43 #273568

Count Orlok wrote:
I plan to keep watching it for the time being, but I am a little disappointed. I was so into the Battlestar Galactica remake when it was first on and I really wanted that rush again.

I did finally figure out what The Expanse reminded me the most of: an RPG campaign. The emphasis on setting and plot hooks really make me think of all the time I used to spend fantasizing about the grand narratives I would take a group through as a GM.
You are right on the money:
1. Of course SciFi fans are socialised to be happy with 'good enough', there is almost no show or movie without significant problems.
2. The Expanse was a RPG campaign first, then a mediocre book, now a slightly above mediocre show. Still, I will consume all of that, because that RPG aspect is still alive in there.
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