Sidereal Confluence Being Remastered!

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Sidereal Conflunece Being Remastered!

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Remaster trading and negotiation in the Elysian quadrant.

The acclaimed negotiation game has been remastered!

-Astounding new cover art by Kwanchai Moriya
-Updated card layout
-Cardboard turn and bidding trackers
-Included teaching guide
-Improved rulebook flow for easy setup and learning – includes more visual examples and clear key terms
-Updated insert
-Tauceti Diechmann’s thorough design sits at a unique intersection of simple turn order and complex chains of trading. This refined edition re-implements the gameplay that makes Sidereal Confluence a standout:


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hotseatgames replied the topic: #302083 30 Sep 2019 10:06
I'd love to check this game out. But my shelf is full of games I can't get to the table, and this seems like another one of those.
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Gary Sax replied the topic: #302084 30 Sep 2019 10:50
Yeah, I get you. I'm not shelf toad king for nothing.

That said, I could see getting this out with people before a lot of other innovative games because it's real time and it's not as punishing. So, like, archipelago and study in emerald I have no idea if I will ever play because not only are they complex, they are also based in cutthroat deception. Sidereal you can make "bad" trades I guess but not that bad---the game gives the base value if resources, there's open info, and all deals are binding. No one is specifically out to fuck you over.
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Frohike replied the topic: #302097 30 Sep 2019 14:13
4 player minimum = this will never get played here. But I’d totally join a game somewhere.

Confluence typo in the title btw ;)
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Josh Look replied the topic: #302098 30 Sep 2019 16:48
I really enjoyed it, but the folks I played it with were pretty split on it. Nobody disliked it, they just loved it or didn’t know what to make of it. Perhaps it being easier to teach will help.

The game is really just converting one colored cube into another, the twist is that all that conversion happens via trade, negotiation and variable player powers.
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Erik Twice replied the topic: #302099 30 Sep 2019 18:06
For me the issue I face is that every game of Sidereal Confluence I would get to the table I would have one less game of Dune or 18XX or Civilization. Competition is very stiff for me.
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Ah_Pook replied the topic: #302101 30 Sep 2019 18:23
The couple times I played this were okay, but no one loved it and I sold it. It's information overload the game. The actual decisions are very straightforward, the game is who can parse the giant clusterfuck spreadsheet of bullshit well enough to actually see the decisions to make. I'm sure there's another level of game beyond that, but the game is long and intense and wants very large player counts so the odds of ever getting to that next level are nil.
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Gary Sax replied the topic: #302102 30 Sep 2019 18:36
My understanding of the next level of the game is understanding the aggregate economic patterns that are developing at the table. So understanding the table's economy, so to speak, with the races that are being played and number of players.

I can see that at high player counts that would be impossible in general, but I could see making some strategic plays in my trades and investments based on the composition of the table and the techs people are driving for at 5 or 6 players.
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Sagrilarus replied the topic: #302104 30 Sep 2019 23:29
The ad copy almost sounds like an apology for the 1st version's rule book. Was it that bad?
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Gary Sax replied the topic: #302106 01 Oct 2019 01:54
That's the weird thing, not at all. I think you could beef with the graphic design and such, but the rules never struck me as bad at all. I found that bit very surprising.
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jeb replied the topic: #302149 02 Oct 2019 17:27
the 1e rules are SO bad

I learned how to play ARKHAM HORROR by my damn self and I cannot being to penetrate the SIDEREAL CONFLUENCE rules. Some of the absolute worst rules I have seen in the modern era.
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Shellhead replied the topic: #302153 02 Oct 2019 18:23
I have never played Sidereal Confluence, but I have played many games of Pit. It seems like Sidereal Confluence would be a real headache to play, due to the combination of variable powers, bidding, engine-building, and real-time trading. Information overload plus a frantic pace.
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Gary Sax replied the topic: #302156 02 Oct 2019 20:15

jeb wrote: the 1e rules are SO bad

I learned how to play ARKHAM HORROR by my damn self and I cannot being to penetrate the SIDEREAL CONFLUENCE rules. Some of the absolute worst rules I have seen in the modern era.


This is really interesting, I had no real problems with them so I was wondering why they were selling the rules update so hard.
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Gary Sax replied the topic: #302166 03 Oct 2019 09:48
I think about this game a lot. I need a game group in my current town. I should *gulp* meet some randos at the public game night.